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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Avi Kiviti <avi@redhat.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC -v3 PATCH 2/3] sched: add yield_to function
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 04:26:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1294889169.8089.10.camel@marge.simson.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D2E6B62.2000802@redhat.com>

On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 22:02 -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:

> Cgroups only makes the matter worse - libvirt places
> each KVM guest into its own cgroup, so a VCPU will
> generally always be alone on its own per-cgroup, per-cpu
> runqueue!  That can lead to pulling a VCPU onto our local
> CPU because we think we are alone, when in reality we
> share the CPU with others...

How can that happen?  If the task you're trying to accelerate isn't in
your task group, the whole attempt should be a noop.

> Removing the pulling code allows me to use all 4
> CPUs with a 4-VCPU KVM guest in an uncontended situation.
> 
> > +	/* Tell the scheduler that we'd really like pse to run next. */
> > +	p_cfs_rq->next = pse;
> 
> Using set_next_buddy propagates this up to the root,
> allowing the scheduler to actually know who we want to
> run next when cgroups is involved.
> 
> > +	/* We know whether we want to preempt or not, but are we allowed? */
> > +	if (preempt&&  same_thread_group(p, task_of(p_cfs_rq->curr)))
> > +		resched_task(task_of(p_cfs_rq->curr));
> 
> With this in place, we can get into the situation where
> we will gladly give up CPU time, but not actually give
> any to the other VCPUs in our guest.
> 
> I believe we can get rid of that test, because pick_next_entity
> already makes sure it ignores ->next if picking ->next would
> lead to unfairness.

Preempting everybody who is in your way isn't playing nice neighbor, so
I think at least the same_thread_group() test needs to stay.  But that's
Peter's call.  Starting a zillion threads to play wakeup preempt and
lets hog the cpu isn't nice either, but it's allowed.

> Removing this test (and simplifying yield_to_task_fair) seems
> to lead to more predictable test results.

Less is more :)

	-Mike


  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-13  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-03 21:26 [RFC -v3 PATCH 0/3] directed yield for Pause Loop Exiting Rik van Riel
2011-01-03 21:27 ` [RFC -v3 PATCH 1/3] kvm: keep track of which task is running a KVM vcpu Rik van Riel
2011-01-03 21:29 ` [RFC -v3 PATCH 2/3] sched: add yield_to function Rik van Riel
2011-01-04  1:51   ` Mike Galbraith
2011-01-04  6:14   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-01-04 12:03     ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-05  2:39       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-01-05  8:35         ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-05  8:40           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-01-05  9:08             ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-05  9:30               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-01-05  9:34                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-05 10:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-05 10:04         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-04 17:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-05  3:17       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-01-04 14:28   ` Hillf Danton
2011-01-04 16:41   ` Hillf Danton
2011-01-04 16:44     ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-04 16:51       ` Hillf Danton
2011-01-04 16:51         ` Hillf Danton
2011-01-04 16:54         ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-04 17:02           ` Hillf Danton
2011-01-04 17:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-04 17:12           ` Hillf Danton
2011-01-04 17:22             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-04 17:53           ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-04 18:05             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-04 18:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-04 18:53     ` Mike Galbraith
2011-01-05 16:57     ` Mike Galbraith
2011-01-05 17:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-05 17:23         ` Mike Galbraith
2011-01-07  5:29         ` Mike Galbraith
2011-01-13  3:02           ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-13  3:26             ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2011-01-13  5:08               ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-06 14:33       ` Hillf Danton
2011-01-05 17:10     ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-05 17:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-05 17:19         ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-05 17:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-05 17:35             ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-05 17:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-06  3:49                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-03 21:30 ` [RFC -v3 PATCH 3/3] Subject: kvm: use yield_to instead of sleep in kvm_vcpu_on_spin Rik van Riel
2011-01-04  6:42 ` [RFC -v3 PATCH 0/3] directed yield for Pause Loop Exiting Mike Galbraith
2011-01-04  9:09   ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-04 10:32     ` Mike Galbraith
2011-01-04 10:35       ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-04  9:14 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-04 10:26   ` Mike Galbraith
2011-01-04 17:20     ` Peter Zijlstra

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