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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Simon Wunderlich <simon.wunderlich@s2003.tu-chemnitz.de>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linville@tuxdriver.com,
	Simon Wunderlich <siwu@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>,
	Mathias Kretschmer <mathias.kretschmer@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mac80211: Add NoAck per WMM Queue Support
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:57:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1321441067.4773.26.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111116105120.GA6139@pandem0nium>

Hi,

> > Can you explain what for? :-)
> 
> We want to set NoAck for special traffic classes like video or voice where
> "old" packets are not useful, but keep it for background and best effort traffic.
> This can be applied on devices supporting both traffic classes (e.g. 
> laptops, smartphones with VoIP software) as well as for backhaul links.

Ok.

> > I'm not sure this API is really the best way to handle it either, like I
> > just said it might be nicer per connection or so to get reset properly.
> > 
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "per connection" - do you mean per AP/Sta
> connection? We need definitely need it per queue as explained above.

No, I mean ... it could be a parameter to connect() or associate(),
which would get a bitmap of ACs to use no-ack policy for, instead of an
explicit new configuration.

> > > I have tested this feature on ath9k as well as ath5k devices. There is
> > > an iw patch as well to make use of this feature.
> > 
> > Since you're adding 'real API' (unlike the debugfs file which you should
> > probably remove now!) you also should think about drivers like mwifiex
> > that don't support this and don't use mac80211.
> 
> mwifiex neither supports set_txq_params nor the new function, nl80211 should
> just return "-EOPNOTSUPP". A short grep revealed that no driver in wireless-testing
> implements set_txq_params so far, so at least for the drivers within the kernel
> this should be safe. I forgot to explicitly check for rdev->ops->set_txq_noack
> and will add this check in v2 ...

Good point -- but if you'd change to make it a parameter for connect and
associate (I think that is better since it will clean up by itself
properly when disconnecting) then you would need some flag indicating
that the driver/device supports this (with mac80211 obviously always
supporting it).

johannes



  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-16 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-15 23:21 [PATCH] mac80211: Add NoAck per WMM Queue Support Simon Wunderlich
2011-11-15 23:21 ` [PATCH] iw: add support for wmm NoAck per WMM Queue Simon Wunderlich
2011-11-16  7:46 ` [PATCH] mac80211: Add NoAck per WMM Queue Support Felix Fietkau
2011-11-16  7:50   ` Johannes Berg
2011-11-16  7:52 ` Johannes Berg
2011-11-16 10:51   ` Simon Wunderlich
2011-11-16 10:57     ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2011-11-16 12:29       ` Simon Wunderlich
2011-11-16 13:58 ` Helmut Schaa
2011-11-16 15:21   ` Simon Wunderlich

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