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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de>,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
	"Alex,Shi" <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: WARNING: at mm/slub.c:3357, kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:3413
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:58:05 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1321999085.14573.2.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1321948113.27077.24.camel@edumazet-laptop>

On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 08:48 +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 A  21:18 -0600, Christoph Lameter a A(C)crit :
> 
> > Hmmm... That means that c->page points to page not frozen. Per cpu
> > partial pages are frozen until they are reused or until the partial list
> > is flushed.
> > 
> > Does this ever happen on x86 or only on other platforms? In put_cpu_partial() the
> > this_cpu_cmpxchg really needs really to be irq safe. this_cpu_cmpxchg is
> > only preempt safe.
> > 
> > Index: linux-2.6/mm/slub.c
> > ===================================================================
> > --- linux-2.6.orig/mm/slub.c	2011-11-21 21:15:41.575673204 -0600
> > +++ linux-2.6/mm/slub.c	2011-11-21 21:16:33.442336849 -0600
> > @@ -1969,7 +1969,7 @@
> >  		page->pobjects = pobjects;
> >  		page->next = oldpage;
> > 
> > -	} while (this_cpu_cmpxchg(s->cpu_slab->partial, oldpage, page) != oldpage);
> > +	} while (irqsafe_cpu_cmpxchg(s->cpu_slab->partial, oldpage, page) != oldpage);
> >  	stat(s, CPU_PARTIAL_FREE);
> >  	return pobjects;
> >  }
> > 
> 
> For x86, I wonder if our !X86_FEATURE_CX16 support is correct on SMP
> machines.
> 
> this_cpu_cmpxchg16b_emu() claims to be IRQ safe, but may be buggy...
> 
> Could we have somewhere a NMI handler calling kmalloc() ?

Christian and I are on ppc, which uses the generic implementation of
this_cpu_cmpxchg() which is not irq safe. So the above patch is needed
regardless.

Christian, can you try it see if that helps in your case ?

Cheers,
Ben.

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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de>,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
	"Alex,Shi" <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: WARNING: at mm/slub.c:3357, kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:3413
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:58:05 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1321999085.14573.2.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1321948113.27077.24.camel@edumazet-laptop>

On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 08:48 +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 à 21:18 -0600, Christoph Lameter a écrit :
> 
> > Hmmm... That means that c->page points to page not frozen. Per cpu
> > partial pages are frozen until they are reused or until the partial list
> > is flushed.
> > 
> > Does this ever happen on x86 or only on other platforms? In put_cpu_partial() the
> > this_cpu_cmpxchg really needs really to be irq safe. this_cpu_cmpxchg is
> > only preempt safe.
> > 
> > Index: linux-2.6/mm/slub.c
> > ===================================================================
> > --- linux-2.6.orig/mm/slub.c	2011-11-21 21:15:41.575673204 -0600
> > +++ linux-2.6/mm/slub.c	2011-11-21 21:16:33.442336849 -0600
> > @@ -1969,7 +1969,7 @@
> >  		page->pobjects = pobjects;
> >  		page->next = oldpage;
> > 
> > -	} while (this_cpu_cmpxchg(s->cpu_slab->partial, oldpage, page) != oldpage);
> > +	} while (irqsafe_cpu_cmpxchg(s->cpu_slab->partial, oldpage, page) != oldpage);
> >  	stat(s, CPU_PARTIAL_FREE);
> >  	return pobjects;
> >  }
> > 
> 
> For x86, I wonder if our !X86_FEATURE_CX16 support is correct on SMP
> machines.
> 
> this_cpu_cmpxchg16b_emu() claims to be IRQ safe, but may be buggy...
> 
> Could we have somewhere a NMI handler calling kmalloc() ?

Christian and I are on ppc, which uses the generic implementation of
this_cpu_cmpxchg() which is not irq safe. So the above patch is needed
regardless.

Christian, can you try it see if that helps in your case ?

Cheers,
Ben.


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de>,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
	"Alex,Shi" <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: WARNING: at mm/slub.c:3357, kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:3413
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:58:05 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1321999085.14573.2.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1321948113.27077.24.camel@edumazet-laptop>

On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 08:48 +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 à 21:18 -0600, Christoph Lameter a écrit :
> 
> > Hmmm... That means that c->page points to page not frozen. Per cpu
> > partial pages are frozen until they are reused or until the partial list
> > is flushed.
> > 
> > Does this ever happen on x86 or only on other platforms? In put_cpu_partial() the
> > this_cpu_cmpxchg really needs really to be irq safe. this_cpu_cmpxchg is
> > only preempt safe.
> > 
> > Index: linux-2.6/mm/slub.c
> > ===================================================================
> > --- linux-2.6.orig/mm/slub.c	2011-11-21 21:15:41.575673204 -0600
> > +++ linux-2.6/mm/slub.c	2011-11-21 21:16:33.442336849 -0600
> > @@ -1969,7 +1969,7 @@
> >  		page->pobjects = pobjects;
> >  		page->next = oldpage;
> > 
> > -	} while (this_cpu_cmpxchg(s->cpu_slab->partial, oldpage, page) != oldpage);
> > +	} while (irqsafe_cpu_cmpxchg(s->cpu_slab->partial, oldpage, page) != oldpage);
> >  	stat(s, CPU_PARTIAL_FREE);
> >  	return pobjects;
> >  }
> > 
> 
> For x86, I wonder if our !X86_FEATURE_CX16 support is correct on SMP
> machines.
> 
> this_cpu_cmpxchg16b_emu() claims to be IRQ safe, but may be buggy...
> 
> Could we have somewhere a NMI handler calling kmalloc() ?

Christian and I are on ppc, which uses the generic implementation of
this_cpu_cmpxchg() which is not irq safe. So the above patch is needed
regardless.

Christian, can you try it see if that helps in your case ?

Cheers,
Ben.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-11-22 21:58 UTC|newest]

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2011-11-18  7:25 WARNING: at mm/slub.c:3357, kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:3413 Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18  7:25 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18  7:55 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18  7:55   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18  8:43   ` Alex,Shi
2011-11-18  8:43     ` Alex,Shi
2011-11-18  8:54     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18  8:54       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18  8:57       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18  8:57         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18 12:02       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-18 12:02         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21  0:44         ` Alex,Shi
2011-11-21  0:44           ` Alex,Shi
2011-11-21  7:29           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21  7:29             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21  8:05           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21  8:05             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21  8:24             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21  8:24               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21  8:56               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21  8:56                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21  8:56                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21  9:16               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21  9:16                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21  9:16                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 13:15                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 13:15                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 13:15                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 14:16                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 14:16                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 14:16                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 14:21                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 14:21                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 14:21                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 15:36                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 15:36                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 15:36                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 15:48                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 15:48                         ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 15:48                         ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 16:10                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 16:10                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 16:10                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 16:34                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 16:34                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 16:34                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  8:36                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  8:36                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  8:36                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-19  3:21                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-12-19  3:21                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-12-19  3:21                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-12-19  9:19                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-19  9:19                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-19  9:19                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-19  9:06                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-12-19  9:06                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-12-19  9:06                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-11-21 16:52                           ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 16:52                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 16:52                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 17:15                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 17:15                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 17:15                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 17:35                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 17:35                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 17:35                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 18:39                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 18:39                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 18:39                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-21 18:52                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 18:52                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 18:52                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 19:51                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 19:51                                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 20:27                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-21 20:27                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-21 20:27                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-21 21:30                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-21 21:30                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-21 21:43                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-21 21:43                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22  0:21                                         ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-22  0:42                                           ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-22  2:17                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-22  2:17                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-22  8:37                                             ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-22  3:18                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22  3:18                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22  7:48                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  7:48                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  7:48                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  7:51                                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  7:51                                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  7:51                                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  8:27                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  8:27                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  8:27                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-23  7:13                                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-23  7:13                                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-23  7:13                                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-23  7:20                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-23  7:20                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-23  7:20                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  8:39                                               ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-22 22:16                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-22 22:16                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-22 22:31                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 22:31                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 22:31                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 22:32                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 22:32                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 21:58                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2011-11-22 21:58                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-22 21:58                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-22 23:12                                                 ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-23  0:18                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-23  0:18                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-23  1:22                                                     ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-23  1:43                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-23  1:43                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-23  5:51                                                     ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-23  6:59                                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-23  6:59                                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-23 15:14                                                         ` slub: use irqsafe_cpu_cmpxchg for put_cpu_partial Christoph Lameter
2011-11-23 15:14                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-23 16:04                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-23 16:04                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-23 16:04                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-23 18:33                                                           ` Christian Kujau
2011-11-24  6:45                                                             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-24  6:45                                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-23 23:15                                                           ` David Rientjes
2011-11-23 23:15                                                             ` David Rientjes
2011-11-22  8:45                                             ` WARNING: at mm/slub.c:3357, kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:3413 Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  8:45                                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22  9:25                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:25                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:25                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:27                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:27                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:27                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:38                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:38                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:38                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:46                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:46                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22  9:46                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 14:46                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 14:46                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 14:52                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 14:52                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 14:52                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 15:02                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 15:07                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 15:07                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 16:20                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 16:20                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 16:32                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 16:32                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 16:32                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 16:36                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 16:41                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 16:41                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 16:53                                                                   ` slub: Lockout validation scans during freeing of object Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 16:53                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 17:21                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 17:21                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 17:21                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-22 17:40                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 17:40                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 18:55                                                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22 18:55                                                                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22 19:20                                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 19:20                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 19:32                                                                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22 19:32                                                                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22 19:46                                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 19:46                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 17:59                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 17:59                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 11:21                                                 ` WARNING: at mm/slub.c:3357, kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:3413 Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22 11:21                                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-22 14:50                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 14:50                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 14:44                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-22 14:44                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-21 15:51                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 15:51                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-21 15:51                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-23 16:03                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-23 16:03                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-23 16:03                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-23 16:06                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-23 16:06                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-11-24  8:50                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-11-24  8:50                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-01  8:44                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-01  8:44                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-01  8:53                               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-01  8:53                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-02 19:43                               ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-02 19:43                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-02 20:06                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-02 20:06                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-02 20:48                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-02 20:48                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-07 14:32                                     ` Robert Richter
2011-12-07 14:32                                       ` Robert Richter
2011-12-07 14:32                                       ` Robert Richter
2011-12-07 14:39                                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-07 14:39                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-02 23:04                             ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-02 23:04                               ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-03  9:28                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-03  9:28                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-03  9:28                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-03 12:20                                 ` Dave Airlie
2011-12-03 12:20                                   ` Dave Airlie
2011-12-03 12:29                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-03 12:29                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-03 19:31                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-03 19:31                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-03 19:32                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-03 19:32                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-04  1:02                                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-04  1:02                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-04 17:32                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-04 17:32                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 17:10                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 17:10                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 18:15                                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-05 18:15                                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-05 18:43                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 18:43                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 19:11                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 19:11                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 19:27                                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-05 19:27                                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-12-05 20:10                                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-05 20:10                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-05 20:20                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 20:20                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2011-12-05 10:44                                     ` David Laight
2011-12-05 10:44                                       ` David Laight
2011-12-05 10:44                                       ` David Laight

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