From: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 10/11] Add u-boot-ubl.bin target to the Makefile
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:32:51 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1347903171.19543.13@snotra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50575528.7000606@ti.com> (from trini@ti.com on Mon Sep 17 11:51:52 2012)
On 09/17/2012 11:51:52 AM, Tom Rini wrote:
> On 09/17/12 09:27, Scott Wood wrote:
> > On 09/17/2012 04:24:34 AM, Jos? Miguel Gon?alves wrote:
> [snip]
> >> If no one else has anything against, I will change the name of the
> new
> >> target to u-boot-pad.bin
> >
> > What exactly is u-boot-pad.bin supposed to be? I hope that's not
> being
> > proposed as the final output file the user sees.
> >
> > With old nand_spl we had u-boot-nand.bin for the final concatenated
> > binary, but that's not appropriate for a generic spl. I think it
> would
> > be better for the user to see "u-boot.bin" as the actual image to
> put on
> > the boot device, regardless of implementation details like spl, if
> > there's no requirement of a specific file format. The second stage
> > could become "u-boot-main.bin" or similar on builds where spl is
> used.
>
> We need some name that means "U-Boot SPL with U-Boot tacked on at the
> end". This can optionally be padded to a defined size to make writing
> to hardware easier. We also have the problem that "u-boot.bin"
> already
> means something so it needs to be clear.
u-boot.bin has traditionally (except for nand_spl and derivatives)
meant the final image ready to put into flash, after any
platform-specific layout issues are taken care of (e.g. on mpc83xx it
will have a reset control word embedded, on mpc85xx it will be padded
to 512K with a reset vector at the end, etc.). That we did the
tweaking in the linker script rather than after linking seems like an
inconsequential implementation detail.
> I further fear that even if we
> made an "out" directory if we put u-boot.bin in there and it's not the
> same as the objcopy -O binary u-boot u-boot.bin as before we've
> violated
> the rule of least surprise and the end user problems from people that
> read "the" document (that happened to be out of date) will be our
> problem.
In this case I think you can't meet one user's expectations without
violating another's. I think it's more important to make it clear to
the user what file they're supposed to put into flash. Users of
platforms that are currently supported by nand_spl would probably like
to continue seeing u-boot-nand.bin -- it's a tradeoff of historical
stability versus current consistency.
> In short, at least a few people have said something along the lines of
> "We need generic output nameo $mediums and targets" but there's two
> hard
> problems, one of which is that every SoC _needs_ things tweaked just
> so
> (no header? no boot!), sometimes wants things tweaked further (pad the
> final image out to be easier to write to $medium) and sometimes needs
> multiple files (the whole of 'SPL' will be read so it must fit into
> $SMALL_MEMORY). The other is naming.
A simple concatenation of a padded SPL plus the main U-Boot was good
enough for all the nand_spl boards AFAIK, so it's not quite every SoC
that needs something special here. For those that do require a special
format (or multiple files) with a file extension that is familiar to
people working with that platform, using that extension makes sense.
"pad" does not, and a proliferation of SoC-specific suffixes isn't much
better.
-Scott
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-09-17 17:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-14 17:28 [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 00/11] S3C24XX: Add support to MINI2416 board José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 01/11] ARM: fix relocation on ARM926EJS José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-15 18:03 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-16 9:45 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-16 10:06 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-16 10:16 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-16 15:36 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-16 16:26 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-16 17:17 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-17 6:28 ` Christian Riesch
2012-09-17 8:34 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 9:03 ` Christian Riesch
2012-09-17 9:20 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 17:18 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 17:23 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-17 17:32 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 17:26 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-17 17:35 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 17:48 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-17 18:00 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 17:27 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-10-04 14:24 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 02/11] S3C24XX: Add core support for Samsung's S3C24XX SoCs José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:03 ` Marek Vasut
[not found] ` <505375E3.6050005@inov.pt>
2012-09-14 18:25 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 19:01 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-14 19:07 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 19:17 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-14 18:39 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 03/11] serial: Add support to 4 ports in serial_s3c24x0 José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 04/11] serial: Use a more precise baud rate generation for serial_s3c24x0 José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:05 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 05/11] serial: Remove unnecessary delay in serial_s3c24x0 José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:05 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 06/11] rtc: Improve rtc_get() on s3c24x0_rtc José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:06 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 07/11] rtc: Fix rtc_reset() " José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:07 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 17:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 08/11] rtc: Don't allow setting unsuported years " José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:08 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 17:29 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 09/11] S3C24XX: Add NAND Flash driver José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:21 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 18:45 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 19:01 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-16 9:16 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 16:57 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 17:03 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-17 17:08 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 17:13 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-17 17:08 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 17:56 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 18:05 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 18:27 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 18:34 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 18:56 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-14 19:24 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-14 20:20 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-14 20:29 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-17 11:11 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:47 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-14 17:29 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 10/11] Add u-boot-ubl.bin target to the Makefile José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:22 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-14 19:08 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-16 9:27 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 6:47 ` Christian Riesch
2012-09-17 8:30 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 9:10 ` Christian Riesch
2012-09-17 9:24 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 14:45 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 16:29 ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-17 16:35 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 16:27 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-17 16:51 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 17:32 ` Scott Wood [this message]
2012-09-17 17:53 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 18:16 ` Scott Wood
2012-09-17 19:52 ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-09-14 17:29 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 11/11] S3C24XX: Add support to MINI2416 board José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-14 18:58 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-16 9:11 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 14:39 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-17 14:47 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
2012-09-17 15:11 ` Tom Rini
2012-09-18 12:11 ` José Miguel Gonçalves
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