From: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
Cc: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:09:53 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1349885393.21493.2@snotra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50759105.2000406@wwwdotorg.org> (from swarren@wwwdotorg.org on Wed Oct 10 10:15:17 2012)
On 10/10/2012 10:15:17 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 06:04 PM, Scott Wood wrote:
> > On 10/09/2012 06:20:53 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
> >> On 10/9/2012 11:16 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> >> > On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
> >> >>
> >> >> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
> >> > process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon
> exactly
> >> > what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be
> easy
> >> > enough to recognize it when one sees it?
> >>
> >>
> >> One of the ways it could get out of hand would be via "include
> >> dependency hell". People will be tempted to reuse existing .h
> files
> >> containing pin definitions, which, if history is a guide, will end
> up
> >> depending on all sorts of other .h files.
> >>
> >> Another problem I often face with symbolic names is the difficulty
> of
> >> figuring out what the numerical values really are (for debugging),
> >> especially when .h files are in different subtrees from the files
> that
> >> use the definitions, and when they use multiple macro levels and
> fancy
> >> features like concatenation. Sometimes I think it's clearer just
> to
> >> write the number and use a comment to say what it is.
> >
> > Both comments apply just as well to ordinary C code, and I don't
> think
> > anyone would seriously suggest just using comments instead for C
> code.
> >
> > Is there a way to ask CPP to evaluate a macro in the context of the
> > input file, rather than produce normal output? If not, I guess you
> > could make a tool that creates a wrapper file that includes the main
> > file and then evaluates the symbol you want.
>
> I'm not sure what "evaluate a macro in the context of the input file"
> means. Macros are obviously already evaluated based on the current set
> of macros defined by the file that's been processed or those it
> included. Do you mean only allowing the use of macros in the current
> file and not included files? What exactly would the wrapper you
> mentioned do?
I just meant a way for a developer to quickly ask the preprocessor what
a particular macro expands to, rather than try to figure it out
manually. I was not suggesting any change to normal operation.
-Scott
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
Cc: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
<devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:09:53 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1349885393.21493.2@snotra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50759105.2000406@wwwdotorg.org> (from swarren@wwwdotorg.org on Wed Oct 10 10:15:17 2012)
On 10/10/2012 10:15:17 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 06:04 PM, Scott Wood wrote:
> > On 10/09/2012 06:20:53 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
> >> On 10/9/2012 11:16 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> >> > On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
> >> >>
> >> >> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
> >> > process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon
> exactly
> >> > what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be
> easy
> >> > enough to recognize it when one sees it?
> >>
> >>
> >> One of the ways it could get out of hand would be via "include
> >> dependency hell". People will be tempted to reuse existing .h
> files
> >> containing pin definitions, which, if history is a guide, will end
> up
> >> depending on all sorts of other .h files.
> >>
> >> Another problem I often face with symbolic names is the difficulty
> of
> >> figuring out what the numerical values really are (for debugging),
> >> especially when .h files are in different subtrees from the files
> that
> >> use the definitions, and when they use multiple macro levels and
> fancy
> >> features like concatenation. Sometimes I think it's clearer just
> to
> >> write the number and use a comment to say what it is.
> >
> > Both comments apply just as well to ordinary C code, and I don't
> think
> > anyone would seriously suggest just using comments instead for C
> code.
> >
> > Is there a way to ask CPP to evaluate a macro in the context of the
> > input file, rather than produce normal output? If not, I guess you
> > could make a tool that creates a wrapper file that includes the main
> > file and then evaluates the symbol you want.
>
> I'm not sure what "evaluate a macro in the context of the input file"
> means. Macros are obviously already evaluated based on the current set
> of macros defined by the file that's been processed or those it
> included. Do you mean only allowing the use of macros in the current
> file and not included files? What exactly would the wrapper you
> mentioned do?
I just meant a way for a developer to quickly ask the preprocessor what
a particular macro expands to, rather than try to figure it out
manually. I was not suggesting any change to normal operation.
-Scott
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-10 16:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-28 21:25 [PATCH] dtc: import latest upstream dtc Stephen Warren
2012-09-29 21:06 ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 16:09 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <5069C042.40209-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 16:13 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-01 16:13 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5069C11C.6040505-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 17:56 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 17:56 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 18:33 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5069E1F0.5070902-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 18:39 ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 18:39 ` Jon Loeliger
[not found] ` <E1TIktZ-0000U4-Qh-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-09 21:16 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-09 21:16 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <50749441.8030307-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-09 23:20 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-09 23:20 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 0:04 ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 0:04 ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 4:43 ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 7:24 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20121010072401.GA28467-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 14:41 ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 14:41 ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 23:06 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:16 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:33 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 16:19 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 17:18 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 18:42 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5075954B.8030008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 23:16 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:16 ` David Gibson
2012-10-11 1:42 ` Mitch Bradley
[not found] ` <50762409.5060105-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-11 5:11 ` David Gibson
2012-10-11 5:11 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <50759152.9050407-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 23:09 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:09 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:15 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:15 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 16:09 ` Scott Wood [this message]
2012-10-10 16:09 ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 16:22 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 23:18 ` David Gibson
2012-10-12 17:24 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5078525B.9030008-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-13 6:24 ` David Gibson
2012-10-13 6:24 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20121013062453.GH4640-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-13 13:42 ` Segher Boessenkool
2012-10-13 13:42 ` Segher Boessenkool
[not found] ` <3C5DD611-6F36-4D13-9A88-377A8E30AAA5-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-14 0:16 ` David Gibson
2012-10-14 0:16 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 17:09 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <5075ABB8.103-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:23 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:23 ` Mitch Bradley
[not found] ` <5075BD21.2070106-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:45 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 18:45 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5075C254.4040304-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:56 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:56 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-11 0:14 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:54 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 18:40 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5075C10C.1030205-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:52 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:52 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-01 18:02 ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 18:02 ` Jon Loeliger
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