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From: Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	Vasilis Liaskovitis <vasilis.liaskovitis@profitbricks.com>,
	Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Wen Congyang <wencongyang@gmail.com>,
	isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com, lenb@kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 3/3] acpi_memhotplug: Allow eject to proceed on rebind scenario
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:02:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1354136568.26955.312.camel@misato.fc.hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9212118.3s2xH6uJDI@vostro.rjw.lan>

> > > > > > > Consider the following case:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > We hotremove the memory device by SCI and unbind it from the driver at the same time:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > CPUa                                                  CPUb
> > > > > > > acpi_memory_device_notify()
> > > > > > >                                        unbind it from the driver
> > > > > > >     acpi_bus_hot_remove_device()
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Can we make acpi_bus_remove() to fail if a given acpi_device is not
> > > > > > bound with a driver?  If so, can we make the unbind operation to perform
> > > > > > unbind only?
> > > > > 
> > > > > acpi_bus_remove_device could check if the driver is present, and return -ENODEV
> > > > > if it's not present (dev->driver == NULL).
> > > > > 
> > > > > But there can still be a race between an eject and an unbind operation happening
> > > > > simultaneously. This seems like a general problem to me i.e. not specific to an
> > > > > acpi memory device. How do we ensure an eject does not race with a driver unbind
> > > > > for other acpi devices?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is there a per-device lock in acpi-core or device-core that can prevent this from
> > > > > happening? Driver core does a device_lock(dev) on all operations, but this is
> > > > > probably not grabbed on SCI-initiated acpi ejects.
> > > > 
> > > > Since driver_unbind() calls device_lock(dev->parent) before calling
> > > > device_release_driver(), I am wondering if we can call
> > > > device_lock(dev->dev->parent) at the beginning of acpi_bus_remove()
> > > > (i.e. before calling pre_remove) and fails if dev->driver is NULL.  The
> > > > parent lock is otherwise released after device_release_driver() is done.
> > > 
> > > I would be careful.  You may introduce some subtle locking-related issues
> > > this way.
> > 
> > Right.  This requires careful inspection and testing.  As far as the
> > locking is concerned, I am not keen on using fine grained locking for
> > hot-plug.  It is much simpler and solid if we serialize such operations.
> > 
> > > Besides, there may be an alternative approach to all this.  For example,
> > > what if we don't remove struct device objects on eject?  The ACPI handles
> > > associated with them don't go away in that case after all, do they?
> > 
> > Umm...  Sorry, I am not getting your point.  The issue is that we need
> > to be able to fail a request when memory range cannot be off-lined.
> > Otherwise, we end up ejecting online memory range.
> 
> Yes, this is the major one.  The minor issue, however, is a race condition
> between unbinding a driver from a device and removing the device if I
> understand it correctly.  Which will go away automatically if the device is
> not removed in the first place.  Or so I would think. :-)

I see.  I do not think whether or not the device is removed on eject
makes any difference here.  The issue is that after driver_unbind() is
done, acpi_bus_hot_remove_device() no longer calls the ACPI memory
driver (hence, it cannot fail in prepare_remove), and goes ahead to call
_EJ0.  If driver_unbind() did off-line the memory, this is OK.  However,
it cannot off-line kernel memory ranges.  So, we basically need to
either 1) serialize acpi_bus_hot_remove_device() and driver_unbind(), or
2) make acpi_bus_hot_remove_device() to fail if driver_unbind() is run
during the operation.

Thanks,
-Toshi

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From: Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	Vasilis Liaskovitis <vasilis.liaskovitis@profitbricks.com>,
	Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Wen Congyang <wencongyang@gmail.com>,
	isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com, lenb@kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 3/3] acpi_memhotplug: Allow eject to proceed on rebind scenario
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:02:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1354136568.26955.312.camel@misato.fc.hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9212118.3s2xH6uJDI@vostro.rjw.lan>

> > > > > > > Consider the following case:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > We hotremove the memory device by SCI and unbind it from the driver at the same time:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > CPUa                                                  CPUb
> > > > > > > acpi_memory_device_notify()
> > > > > > >                                        unbind it from the driver
> > > > > > >     acpi_bus_hot_remove_device()
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Can we make acpi_bus_remove() to fail if a given acpi_device is not
> > > > > > bound with a driver?  If so, can we make the unbind operation to perform
> > > > > > unbind only?
> > > > > 
> > > > > acpi_bus_remove_device could check if the driver is present, and return -ENODEV
> > > > > if it's not present (dev->driver == NULL).
> > > > > 
> > > > > But there can still be a race between an eject and an unbind operation happening
> > > > > simultaneously. This seems like a general problem to me i.e. not specific to an
> > > > > acpi memory device. How do we ensure an eject does not race with a driver unbind
> > > > > for other acpi devices?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is there a per-device lock in acpi-core or device-core that can prevent this from
> > > > > happening? Driver core does a device_lock(dev) on all operations, but this is
> > > > > probably not grabbed on SCI-initiated acpi ejects.
> > > > 
> > > > Since driver_unbind() calls device_lock(dev->parent) before calling
> > > > device_release_driver(), I am wondering if we can call
> > > > device_lock(dev->dev->parent) at the beginning of acpi_bus_remove()
> > > > (i.e. before calling pre_remove) and fails if dev->driver is NULL.  The
> > > > parent lock is otherwise released after device_release_driver() is done.
> > > 
> > > I would be careful.  You may introduce some subtle locking-related issues
> > > this way.
> > 
> > Right.  This requires careful inspection and testing.  As far as the
> > locking is concerned, I am not keen on using fine grained locking for
> > hot-plug.  It is much simpler and solid if we serialize such operations.
> > 
> > > Besides, there may be an alternative approach to all this.  For example,
> > > what if we don't remove struct device objects on eject?  The ACPI handles
> > > associated with them don't go away in that case after all, do they?
> > 
> > Umm...  Sorry, I am not getting your point.  The issue is that we need
> > to be able to fail a request when memory range cannot be off-lined.
> > Otherwise, we end up ejecting online memory range.
> 
> Yes, this is the major one.  The minor issue, however, is a race condition
> between unbinding a driver from a device and removing the device if I
> understand it correctly.  Which will go away automatically if the device is
> not removed in the first place.  Or so I would think. :-)

I see.  I do not think whether or not the device is removed on eject
makes any difference here.  The issue is that after driver_unbind() is
done, acpi_bus_hot_remove_device() no longer calls the ACPI memory
driver (hence, it cannot fail in prepare_remove), and goes ahead to call
_EJ0.  If driver_unbind() did off-line the memory, this is OK.  However,
it cannot off-line kernel memory ranges.  So, we basically need to
either 1) serialize acpi_bus_hot_remove_device() and driver_unbind(), or
2) make acpi_bus_hot_remove_device() to fail if driver_unbind() is run
during the operation.

Thanks,
-Toshi


  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-28 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 191+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-23 17:50 [RFC PATCH v3 0/3] acpi: Introduce prepare_remove device operation Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-23 17:50 ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-23 17:50 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/3] acpi: Introduce prepare_remove operation in acpi_device_ops Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-23 17:50   ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-27  0:10   ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-27  0:10     ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-27 18:36     ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-27 18:36       ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-27 23:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-27 23:18       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-23 17:50 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/3] acpi_memhotplug: Add prepare_remove operation Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-23 17:50   ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-24 16:23   ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-24 16:23     ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-23 17:50 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/3] acpi_memhotplug: Allow eject to proceed on rebind scenario Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-23 17:50   ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-24 16:20   ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-24 16:20     ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-26  8:36     ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-26  8:36       ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-26  9:11       ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-26  9:11         ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  0:19         ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-27  0:19           ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-27 18:32           ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-27 18:32             ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-27 22:03             ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-27 22:03               ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-27 23:41               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-27 23:41                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 16:01                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 16:01                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 18:40                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 18:40                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 21:02                     ` Toshi Kani [this message]
2012-11-28 21:02                       ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 21:40                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 21:40                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 21:40                         ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 21:40                           ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 22:01                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 22:01                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 22:04                             ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 22:04                               ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 22:21                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 22:21                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 22:16                                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 22:16                                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 22:39                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 22:39                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 22:46                                     ` Greg KH
2012-11-28 22:46                                       ` Greg KH
2012-11-28 23:05                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 23:05                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 23:10                                         ` Greg KH
2012-11-28 23:10                                           ` Greg KH
2012-11-28 23:31                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 23:31                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 23:49                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 23:49                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29  1:02                         ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29  1:02                           ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29  1:15                           ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29  1:15                             ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 10:03                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 10:03                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 11:30                               ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-29 11:30                                 ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-29 16:57                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 16:57                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 17:56                                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 17:56                                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 20:25                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 20:25                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 20:38                                     ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 20:38                                       ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 21:23                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 21:23                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 21:46                                         ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 21:46                                           ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 22:11                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 22:11                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 23:17                                             ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 23:17                                               ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-30  0:13                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-30  0:13                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-30  1:09                                                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-30  1:09                                                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 16:43                               ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 16:43                                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 11:04                             ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-29 11:04                               ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-29 17:44                               ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 17:44                                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06  9:30                                 ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-12-06  9:30                                   ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-12-06 12:50                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-12-06 12:50                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-12-06 15:41                                     ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 15:41                                       ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 20:32                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-12-06 20:32                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 11:05 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/3] acpi: Introduce prepare_remove device operation Hanjun Guo
2012-11-28 11:05   ` Hanjun Guo
2012-11-28 11:05   ` Hanjun Guo
2012-11-28 18:41   ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-28 18:41     ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29  4:48     ` Hanjun Guo
2012-11-29  4:48       ` Hanjun Guo
2012-11-29  4:48       ` Hanjun Guo
2012-11-29 22:27       ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 22:27         ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-03  4:25         ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-03  4:25           ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-03  4:25           ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-04  0:10           ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-04  0:10             ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-04  9:16             ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-04  9:16               ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-04  9:16               ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-04 23:23               ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-04 23:23                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-05 12:10                 ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-05 12:10                   ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-05 12:10                   ` Hanjun Guo
2012-12-05 22:31                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-05 22:31                     ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 16:47                 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:47                   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-07  2:25                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-07  2:25                     ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 16:40             ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:40               ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:40               ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 20:30               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-12-06 20:30                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-12-07  2:57               ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-07  2:57                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-07  5:57                 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-07  5:57                   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-07  5:57                   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-08  1:08                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-08  1:08                     ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-11 14:34                     ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-11 14:34                       ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-13 14:42                       ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-13 14:42                         ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-13 15:15                         ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-13 15:15                           ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-15  1:19                           ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-15  1:19                             ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 10:15     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 10:15       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 11:36       ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-11-29 11:36         ` Vasilis Liaskovitis
2012-12-06 16:59         ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:59           ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 17:03       ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 17:03         ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 20:30         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 20:30           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 20:39           ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 20:39             ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 20:56             ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 20:56               ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-29 21:25               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-29 21:25                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-12-06 17:10                 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:10                   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:07           ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:07             ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:01         ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:01           ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:56       ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:56         ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:00     ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:00       ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:03       ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 16:03         ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 16:25         ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:25           ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:31           ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 16:31             ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 16:52             ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 16:52               ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:09               ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 17:09                 ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 17:30                 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:30                   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:28                   ` Toshi Kani
2012-12-06 17:28                     ` Toshi Kani

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