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From: Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Fleming <matt-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] efi: Distinguish between "remaining space" and actually used space
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:20:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1365009630.19098.16.camel@x230> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <515C62E6.1070004-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:12 +0100, Matt Fleming wrote:

> The solution you're proposing has the same downsides as 3) - we risk
> having to tweak things either way. The difference is that in the case of
> 3) the tweaking is adding entries to the whitelist, whereas tweaking
> your solution has more chance of introducing further unwanted
> regressions because you'd be tweaking an algorithm, an algorithm that
> relies on the internal implementation of the variable storage code.

We *risk* having to tweak things, and we fail on the side of safety. 

> > Dealing with firmware is hard. This fixes (1) without leaving us with
> > (2), which seems like a net win.
> 
> I'm not convinced that implementing 3) would inevitably lead to 2),
> provided that we apply a bit of common sense when adding entries. I'm
> not advocating some kind of flag day where we add umpteen machines to
> the whitelist.
> 
> For reference, I just pushed two patches to the 'whitelist' branch at,
> 
>   git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mfleming/efi.git
> 
> which should hopefully illustrate the kind of thing that I'm talking about.

I don't think that works. People are complaining that we broke some
Thinkpads as well, but we also have reports that Thinkpads can be
bricked if we use too much space.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

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From: Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>
To: Matt Fleming <matt@console-pimps.org>
Cc: "matt.fleming@intel.com" <matt.fleming@intel.com>,
	"ben@decadent.org.uk" <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
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	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] efi: Distinguish between "remaining space" and actually used space
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:20:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1365009630.19098.16.camel@x230> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <515C62E6.1070004@console-pimps.org>

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On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:12 +0100, Matt Fleming wrote:

> The solution you're proposing has the same downsides as 3) - we risk
> having to tweak things either way. The difference is that in the case of
> 3) the tweaking is adding entries to the whitelist, whereas tweaking
> your solution has more chance of introducing further unwanted
> regressions because you'd be tweaking an algorithm, an algorithm that
> relies on the internal implementation of the variable storage code.

We *risk* having to tweak things, and we fail on the side of safety. 

> > Dealing with firmware is hard. This fixes (1) without leaving us with
> > (2), which seems like a net win.
> 
> I'm not convinced that implementing 3) would inevitably lead to 2),
> provided that we apply a bit of common sense when adding entries. I'm
> not advocating some kind of flag day where we add umpteen machines to
> the whitelist.
> 
> For reference, I just pushed two patches to the 'whitelist' branch at,
> 
>   git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mfleming/efi.git
> 
> which should hopefully illustrate the kind of thing that I'm talking about.

I don't think that works. People are complaining that we broke some
Thinkpads as well, but we also have reports that Thinkpads can be
bricked if we use too much space.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-03 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <1364010441.3728.82.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk>
     [not found]   ` <1364010441.3728.82.camel-nDn/Rdv9kqW9Jme8/bJn5UCKIB8iOfG2tUK59QYPAWc@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-23 20:24     ` efi: be more paranoid about available space when creating variables Fleming, Matt
2013-03-23 20:32       ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]         ` <1364070731.2553.47.camel-tCUS0Eywp2Pehftex57rkxo58HMYffqeLoYNBG0abjxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-23 22:50           ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]             ` <514E31B0.4030305-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-26  3:56               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-26  4:31                 ` Lingzhu Xiang
     [not found]                   ` <5151248F.2010303-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-26  4:34                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-03-26  4:35                     ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                 ` <20130326035600.GA6209-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-26  7:40                   ` Lingzhu Xiang
2013-04-01 15:13                     ` [PATCH 1/2] efi: Determine how much space is used by boot services-only variables Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                       ` <1364829240-26475-1-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 15:14                         ` [PATCH 2/2] efi: Distinguish between "remaining space" and actually used space Matthew Garrett
2013-04-01 15:14                           ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                           ` <1364829240-26475-2-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 15:50                             ` Ben Hutchings
2013-04-01 15:50                               ` Ben Hutchings
2013-04-03 13:11                             ` Matt Fleming
2013-04-03 13:11                               ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                               ` <515C2A86.6070606-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03 13:48                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-03 13:48                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-03 17:12                                   ` Matt Fleming
2013-04-03 17:12                                     ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                                     ` <515C62E6.1070004-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03 17:20                                       ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-04-03 17:20                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-01 15:42                         ` [PATCH 1/2] efi: Determine how much space is used by boot services-only variables Ben Hutchings
2013-04-01 15:42                           ` Ben Hutchings
2013-04-03 13:09                         ` Matt Fleming
2013-04-03 13:09                           ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                           ` <515C29EE.8050008-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03 13:42                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-03 13:42                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-26 10:37                   ` efi: be more paranoid about available space when creating variables Matt Fleming
2013-03-26 15:43                     ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                       ` <20130326154359.GA20530-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-27  9:09                         ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                           ` <5152B75B.5080305-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01  6:31                             ` Ben Hutchings
2013-03-26 23:33                   ` Seiji Aguchi
     [not found]                     ` <A5ED84D3BB3A384992CBB9C77DEDA4D41AF79528-ohthHghroY0jroPwUH3sq+6wyyQG6/Uh@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-27  9:10                       ` Matt Fleming

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