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From: Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Christian Ruppert <christian.ruppert@abilis.com>,
	Pierrick Hascoet <pierrick.hascoet@abilis.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [PATCH] Gaurantee spinlocks implicit barrier for !PREEMPT_COUNT
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:31:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1365431470.2733.16.camel@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1365428274.2609.160.camel@laptop>

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 15:37 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> That said, I can't remember ever having seen a BUG like this, even
> though !PREEMPT is (or at least was) the most popular distro setting.

It requires gcc reordering the code to where a preempt can happen inside
preempt_disable. And also put in a position where the preempt_disable
code it gets added matters.

Then if gcc does this, we need a page fault to occur with a get_user()
operation, which in practice seldom happens as most get user operations
are done on freshly modified memory.

And then, it would require the page fault to cause a schedule. This is
the most likely of the things needed to occur, but itself is not a
problem.

Then, the schedule would have to cause the data that is being protect by
the preempt_disable() to be corrupted. Either by scheduling in another
process that monkeys with the data. Or if it protects per-cpu data,
scheduling to another CPU (for the SMP case only).

If any of the above does not occur, then you wont see a bug. This is
highly unlikely to happen, but that's no excuse to not fix it. But it
probably explains why we never saw a bug report. Heck, it may have
happened, but it would be hard to reproduce, and just forgotten about.

-- Steve




  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-08 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-29 10:33 [PATCH] timer: Fix possible issues with non serialized timer_pending( ) Vineet Gupta
2013-04-03  7:20 ` Vineet Gupta
2013-04-03  8:53 ` Christian Ruppert
2013-04-03 12:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-04-03 13:03   ` Christian Ruppert
2013-04-03 13:10     ` [RFC] Add implicit barriers to irqsave/restore class of functions Christian Ruppert
2013-04-03 13:29       ` Vineet Gupta
2013-04-04  8:26         ` Christian Ruppert
2013-04-04 16:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-05  4:27         ` Vineet Gupta
2013-04-03 14:11   ` [PATCH] [PATCH] Gaurantee spinlocks implicit barrier for !PREEMPT_COUNT Vineet Gupta
2013-04-04 15:28     ` Christian Ruppert
2013-04-05  4:36       ` Vineet Gupta
2013-04-06 13:34         ` Vineet Gupta
2013-04-06 16:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-06 18:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-06 19:54               ` Jacquiot, Aurelien
2013-04-06 19:54                 ` Jacquiot, Aurelien
2013-04-09 16:33               ` [PATCH] tile: comment assumption about __insn_mtspr for <asm/irqflags.h> Chris Metcalf
2013-04-09 16:33                 ` Chris Metcalf
2013-04-08  4:20             ` [PATCH] [PATCH] Gaurantee spinlocks implicit barrier for !PREEMPT_COUNT Vineet Gupta
2013-04-08  4:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-08 13:37                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-08 14:31                   ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2013-04-08 14:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-08 14:59                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-08 15:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-09 14:32                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-10  7:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-08 14:05                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-08  4:49               ` Linus Torvalds

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