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From: Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: "Josh Boyer" <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>,
	"Aaron Lu" <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"DRI mailing list" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Matthew Garrett" <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>,
	"Seth Forshee" <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	"Lee Chun-Yi" <joeyli.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"Richard Purdie" <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
	"Igor Gnatenko" <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com>,
	"Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ben Jencks" <ben@bjencks.net>,
	"Steven Newbury" <steve@snewbury.org.uk>,
	"James Hogan" <james@albanarts.com>,
	"Kamal Mostafa" <kamal@canonical.com>,
	"Joerg Platte" <jplatte@naasa.net>,
	"Kalle Valo" <kvalo@adurom.com>,
	"Martin Steigerwald" <Martin@lichtvoll.de>,
	"Jörg Otte" <jrg.otte@gmail.co>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/4] Fix Win8 backlight issue
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 08:00:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1381557623.3261.69.camel@scapa> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1712683.D4Gy4SDE7p@vostro.rjw.lan>

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On sam., 2013-10-12 at 00:10 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 12:42:43 PM Josh Boyer wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com> wrote:
> > > v5:
> > > 1 Introduce video.use_native_backlight module parameter and set its
> > >   value to false by default as suggested by Rafael. For Win8 systems
> > >   which have broken ACPI video backlight control, the parameter can be
> > >   set to 1 in kernel cmdline to skip registering ACPI video's backlight
> > >   interface. Due to this change, the acpi_video_verify_backlight_support
> > >   is moved from video_detect.c to video.c - patch 3/4;
> > 
> > That's a fairly untenable position for distro kernels to be in.  They
> > now have to ask every user that reports an issue with the backlight to
> > try setting that option on the command line.  While I appreciate the
> > setting breaks things for some people, doesn't the Win8 issue impact
> > far more people?  Shouldn't it be defaulted to true?
> 
> Well, we have a rule in the kernel not to introduce regressions for users even
> if they are minority.

Well, for some users, the regression actually happened when support for
Win8 OSI call was introduced.

Regards,
-- 
Yves-Alexis

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From: Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: "Josh Boyer" <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>,
	"Aaron Lu" <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"DRI mailing list" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Matthew Garrett" <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>,
	"Seth Forshee" <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	"Lee Chun-Yi" <joeyli.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"Richard Purdie" <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
	"Igor Gnatenko" <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com>,
	"Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ben Jencks" <ben@bjencks.net>,
	"Steven Newbury" <steve@snewbury.org.uk>,
	"James Hogan" <james@albanarts.com>,
	"Kamal Mostafa" <kamal@canonical.com>,
	"Joerg Platte" <jplatte@naasa.net>,
	"Kalle Valo" <kvalo@adurom.com>,
	"Martin Steigerwald" <Martin@lichtvoll.de>,
	"Jörg Otte" <jrg.otte@gmail.com>,
	"Mike Galbraith" <bitbucket@online.de>,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.i>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/4] Fix Win8 backlight issue
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 08:00:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1381557623.3261.69.camel@scapa> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1712683.D4Gy4SDE7p@vostro.rjw.lan>

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On sam., 2013-10-12 at 00:10 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 12:42:43 PM Josh Boyer wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com> wrote:
> > > v5:
> > > 1 Introduce video.use_native_backlight module parameter and set its
> > >   value to false by default as suggested by Rafael. For Win8 systems
> > >   which have broken ACPI video backlight control, the parameter can be
> > >   set to 1 in kernel cmdline to skip registering ACPI video's backlight
> > >   interface. Due to this change, the acpi_video_verify_backlight_support
> > >   is moved from video_detect.c to video.c - patch 3/4;
> > 
> > That's a fairly untenable position for distro kernels to be in.  They
> > now have to ask every user that reports an issue with the backlight to
> > try setting that option on the command line.  While I appreciate the
> > setting breaks things for some people, doesn't the Win8 issue impact
> > far more people?  Shouldn't it be defaulted to true?
> 
> Well, we have a rule in the kernel not to introduce regressions for users even
> if they are minority.

Well, for some users, the regression actually happened when support for
Win8 OSI call was introduced.

Regards,
-- 
Yves-Alexis

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-12  6:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-11 13:27 [PATCH v5 0/4] Fix Win8 backlight issue Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27 ` Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] backlight: introduce backlight_device_registered Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27   ` Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] ACPI / video: seperate backlight control and event interface Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27   ` Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] ACPI / video: Do not register backlight if win8 and native interface exists Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27   ` Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] thinkpad-acpi: fix handle locate for video and query of _BCL Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 13:27   ` Aaron Lu
2013-10-11 16:42 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] Fix Win8 backlight issue Josh Boyer
2013-10-11 21:01   ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-10-11 22:10   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-11 22:01     ` Josh Boyer
2013-10-11 22:45       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-11 22:53         ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-10-11 23:10           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-11 23:27       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-12  5:54         ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-10-12  5:54           ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-10-12 14:10           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-12 14:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-12 11:44         ` Josh Boyer
2013-10-12 13:34           ` Seth Forshee
2013-10-12 14:08             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-12  6:00     ` Yves-Alexis Perez [this message]
2013-10-12  6:00       ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-10-12 11:47       ` Josh Boyer
2013-10-15 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-15 23:33   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-24  8:13   ` Aaron Lu
2013-10-25  6:35     ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-10-28  2:45       ` Aaron Lu
2013-10-28  8:09         ` Jani Nikula
2013-10-29  7:18           ` Aaron Lu
2013-11-15  6:07             ` [PATCH v2] ACPI / video: Add systems that should favor native backlight interface Aaron Lu
2013-11-20 20:56               ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-11-21  5:29                 ` [PATCH v2 rebased] " Aaron Lu
2013-12-24 12:20                   ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-12-24 13:59                   ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-10-30  0:40   ` [PATCH v5 0/4] Fix Win8 backlight issue Matthew Garrett
2013-10-30  0:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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