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From: Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Linux IOMMU <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid@gonehiking.org>,
	"Maciej W . Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>,
	Matt Wang <wwentao@vmware.com>,
	Miquel van Smoorenburg <mikevs@xs4all.net>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@android.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] arch/*/: remove CONFIG_VIRT_TO_BUS
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 07:26:05 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13e45965-4e55-11b1-bfdc-59efaad27464@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YrvwZi9NQSpFjStX@infradead.org>

Hi Christoph,

On 29/06/22 18:25, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 09:38:00AM +1200, Michael Schmitz wrote:
>> That's one of the 'liberties' I alluded to. The reason I left these in is
>> that I'm none too certain what device feature the DMA API uses to decide a
>> device isn't cache-coherent.
> The DMA API does not look at device features at all.  It needs to be
> told so by the platform code.  Once an architecture implements the
> hooks to support non-coherent DMA all devices are treated as
> non-coherent by default unless overriden by the architecture either
> globally (using the global dma_default_coherent variable) or per-device
> (using the dev->dma_coherent field, usually set by arch_setup_dma_ops).
Haven't got any of that, so non-coherent DMA is all we can use (even 
though some of the RAM used for bounce buffers may actually be coherent 
due to the page table cache bits).
>
>> If it's dev->coherent_dma_mask, the way I set
>> up the device in the a3000 driver should leave the coherent mask unchanged.
>> For the Zorro drivers, devices are set up to use the same storage to store
>> normal and coherent masks - something we most likely want to change. I need
>> to think about the ramifications of that.
> No, the coherent mask is slightly misnamed amd not actually related.

Thanks, that had me confused.

Cheers,

     Michael



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From: Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Linux IOMMU <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid@gonehiking.org>,
	"Maciej W . Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>,
	Matt Wang <wwentao@vmware.com>,
	Miquel van Smoorenburg <mikevs@xs4all.net>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@android.com>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	alpha <linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-m68k <linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org>,
	Parisc List <linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Denis Efremov <efremov@linux.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] arch/*/: remove CONFIG_VIRT_TO_BUS
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 07:26:05 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13e45965-4e55-11b1-bfdc-59efaad27464@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YrvwZi9NQSpFjStX@infradead.org>

Hi Christoph,

On 29/06/22 18:25, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 09:38:00AM +1200, Michael Schmitz wrote:
>> That's one of the 'liberties' I alluded to. The reason I left these in is
>> that I'm none too certain what device feature the DMA API uses to decide a
>> device isn't cache-coherent.
> The DMA API does not look at device features at all.  It needs to be
> told so by the platform code.  Once an architecture implements the
> hooks to support non-coherent DMA all devices are treated as
> non-coherent by default unless overriden by the architecture either
> globally (using the global dma_default_coherent variable) or per-device
> (using the dev->dma_coherent field, usually set by arch_setup_dma_ops).
Haven't got any of that, so non-coherent DMA is all we can use (even 
though some of the RAM used for bounce buffers may actually be coherent 
due to the page table cache bits).
>
>> If it's dev->coherent_dma_mask, the way I set
>> up the device in the a3000 driver should leave the coherent mask unchanged.
>> For the Zorro drivers, devices are set up to use the same storage to store
>> normal and coherent masks - something we most likely want to change. I need
>> to think about the ramifications of that.
> No, the coherent mask is slightly misnamed amd not actually related.

Thanks, that had me confused.

Cheers,

     Michael



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Miquel van Smoorenburg <mikevs@xs4all.net>,
	Denis Efremov <efremov@linux.com>,
	linux-m68k <linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org>,
	John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid@gonehiking.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Parisc List <linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Matt Wang <wwentao@vmware.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@android.com>,
	Linux IOMMU <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	alpha <linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"Maciej W . Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] arch/*/: remove CONFIG_VIRT_TO_BUS
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 07:26:05 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13e45965-4e55-11b1-bfdc-59efaad27464@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YrvwZi9NQSpFjStX@infradead.org>

Hi Christoph,

On 29/06/22 18:25, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 09:38:00AM +1200, Michael Schmitz wrote:
>> That's one of the 'liberties' I alluded to. The reason I left these in is
>> that I'm none too certain what device feature the DMA API uses to decide a
>> device isn't cache-coherent.
> The DMA API does not look at device features at all.  It needs to be
> told so by the platform code.  Once an architecture implements the
> hooks to support non-coherent DMA all devices are treated as
> non-coherent by default unless overriden by the architecture either
> globally (using the global dma_default_coherent variable) or per-device
> (using the dev->dma_coherent field, usually set by arch_setup_dma_ops).
Haven't got any of that, so non-coherent DMA is all we can use (even 
though some of the RAM used for bounce buffers may actually be coherent 
due to the page table cache bits).
>
>> If it's dev->coherent_dma_mask, the way I set
>> up the device in the a3000 driver should leave the coherent mask unchanged.
>> For the Zorro drivers, devices are set up to use the same storage to store
>> normal and coherent masks - something we most likely want to change. I need
>> to think about the ramifications of that.
> No, the coherent mask is slightly misnamed amd not actually related.

Thanks, that had me confused.

Cheers,

     Michael


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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Miquel van Smoorenburg <mikevs@xs4all.net>,
	Denis Efremov <efremov@linux.com>,
	linux-m68k <linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org>,
	John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid@gonehiking.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Parisc List <linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Matt Wang <wwentao@vmware.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@android.com>,
	Linux IOMMU <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	alpha <linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"Maciej W . Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] arch/*/: remove CONFIG_VIRT_TO_BUS
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 07:26:05 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13e45965-4e55-11b1-bfdc-59efaad27464@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YrvwZi9NQSpFjStX@infradead.org>

Hi Christoph,

On 29/06/22 18:25, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 09:38:00AM +1200, Michael Schmitz wrote:
>> That's one of the 'liberties' I alluded to. The reason I left these in is
>> that I'm none too certain what device feature the DMA API uses to decide a
>> device isn't cache-coherent.
> The DMA API does not look at device features at all.  It needs to be
> told so by the platform code.  Once an architecture implements the
> hooks to support non-coherent DMA all devices are treated as
> non-coherent by default unless overriden by the architecture either
> globally (using the global dma_default_coherent variable) or per-device
> (using the dev->dma_coherent field, usually set by arch_setup_dma_ops).
Haven't got any of that, so non-coherent DMA is all we can use (even 
though some of the RAM used for bounce buffers may actually be coherent 
due to the page table cache bits).
>
>> If it's dev->coherent_dma_mask, the way I set
>> up the device in the a3000 driver should leave the coherent mask unchanged.
>> For the Zorro drivers, devices are set up to use the same storage to store
>> normal and coherent masks - something we most likely want to change. I need
>> to think about the ramifications of that.
> No, the coherent mask is slightly misnamed amd not actually related.

Thanks, that had me confused.

Cheers,

     Michael



  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-30 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-17 12:57 [PATCH v2 0/3] phase out CONFIG_VIRT_TO_BUS Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] scsi: dpt_i2o: drop stale VIRT_TO_BUS dependency Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-21  8:43   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21  8:43     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21  8:43     ` Hannes Reinecke
     [not found] ` <20220617125750.728590-1-arnd-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2022-06-17 12:57   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] scsi: BusLogic remove bus_to_virt Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 14:02     ` Robin Murphy
2022-06-17 14:02       ` Robin Murphy
2022-06-17 14:02       ` Robin Murphy
2022-06-21  8:45     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21  8:45       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21  8:45       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21 21:56     ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-21 21:56       ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-21 21:56       ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-23 14:47       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-23 14:47         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-23 14:47         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-24 15:38         ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-24 15:38           ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-24 15:38           ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-24 15:43           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-24 15:43             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-24 15:43             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] arch/*/: remove CONFIG_VIRT_TO_BUS Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-17 12:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-18  1:06     ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-18  1:06       ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-18  1:06       ` Michael Schmitz
     [not found]       ` <6ba86afe-bf9f-1aca-7af1-d0d348d75ffc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-06-24  9:10         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-24  9:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-24  9:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-24  9:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-26  5:21           ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-26  5:21             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-26  5:21             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-26  5:21             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-26  8:36             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-26  8:36               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-26  8:36               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-26  8:36               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-27  8:09               ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-27  8:09                 ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-27  8:09                 ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-27  8:09                 ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-27  8:26       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-27  8:26         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-27  8:26         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-27  8:26         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-27 21:12         ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-27 21:12           ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-27 21:12           ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-27 21:12           ` Michael Schmitz
     [not found]           ` <b4e5a1c9-e375-63fb-ec7c-abb7384a6d59-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-06-28  3:25             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28  3:25               ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28  3:25               ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28  3:25               ` Michael Schmitz
     [not found]               ` <9289fd82-285c-035f-5355-4d70ce4f87b0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2022-06-28  7:03                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-28  7:03                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-28  7:03                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-28  7:03                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-28 21:03                   ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:03                     ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:03                     ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:03                     ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:50                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 21:50                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 21:50                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 21:50                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 23:09                       ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 23:09                         ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 23:09                         ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 23:09                         ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 23:50                         ` Bart Van Assche
2022-06-28 23:50                           ` Bart Van Assche
2022-06-28 23:50                           ` Bart Van Assche
2022-06-28 23:50                           ` Bart Van Assche
2022-06-29  0:01                           ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  0:01                             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  0:01                             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  0:01                             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  0:14                             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  0:14                               ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  0:14                               ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  0:14                               ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  6:21                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29  6:21                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29  6:21                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29  6:21                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-30 19:21                           ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-30 19:21                             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-30 19:21                             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-30 19:21                             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-30  8:04                         ` David Laight
2022-06-30  8:04                           ` David Laight
2022-06-30  8:04                           ` David Laight
2022-06-30  8:04                           ` David Laight
     [not found]                           ` <26852797d822462abc1c9f96def7fa42-1XygrNkDbNvwg4NCKwmqgw@public.gmane.org>
2022-06-30  9:40                             ` Christophe Leroy
2022-06-30  9:40                               ` Christophe Leroy
2022-06-30  9:40                               ` Christophe Leroy
2022-06-30  9:40                               ` Christophe Leroy
     [not found]                               ` <a36a85a3-3fd3-10ac-cac3-09a90eaf1936-2tlSp11Fh4xulxpn9UvDqw@public.gmane.org>
2022-06-30 10:32                                 ` David Laight
2022-06-30 10:32                                   ` David Laight
2022-06-30 10:32                                   ` David Laight
2022-06-30 10:32                                   ` David Laight
2022-06-28  7:08               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28  7:08                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28  7:08                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28  7:08                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 21:38                 ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:38                   ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:38                   ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:38                   ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 21:55                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 21:55                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 21:55                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 21:55                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-06-28 23:43                     ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 23:43                       ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 23:43                       ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-28 23:43                       ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-29  6:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29  6:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29  6:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29  6:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-30 19:26                     ` Michael Schmitz [this message]
2022-06-30 19:26                       ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-30 19:26                       ` Michael Schmitz
2022-06-30 19:26                       ` Michael Schmitz

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