From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Cc: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 00:53:40 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1401224020.14454.92.camel@dabdike> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1405271634080.28869@pobox.suse.cz>
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 16:39 +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2014, James Bottomley wrote:
>
> > > I think SCSI is almost uniquely difficult for this. The drivers are so
> > > big and different from each other. Competitors aren't going to review
> > > each other's code.
> >
> > To be honest, my review standard for drivers is does it pass checkpatch
> > (for an ignored subset of warnings, like lines over 80 characters), does
> > it compile individually and when I look through the patch does anything
> > leap out as wrong. That's by no means an extensive review, but it's
> > about all that you can do without understanding the internals of the
> > driver. I figure mostly that if something goes wrong within a big
> > driver then in won't affect other drivers, so the manufacturer would
> > only have themselves to blame and thus be nicely motivated to fix it.
>
> With my distro person hat on, I'd really like to call at least for pushing
> driver maintainers much harder to be a lot more verbose in their
> changelogs (if splitting the commits into smaller chunks is not an
> option). Without that, trying to find out what change might potentially
> cause what kind of behavior turns into a nightmare.
>
> For an example picked up in a completely in random, look at this one
>
> commit 1ba981fd3ad1f91b8bb205ce6aac6aad45f2fa7a
> Author: James Smart <james.smart@emulex.com>
> Date: Thu Feb 20 09:56:45 2014 -0500
>
> [SCSI] lpfc 8.3.45: Incorporated support of a low-latency io path
Well, I don't disagree, but getting driver writers to supply changelogs
is hard. For the ones I understand, I've rewritten (or even composed)
quite a few change logs myself because I often don't get anything usable
back when I request a rewrite.
My intolerance for bad changelogs is high in shared code, but for single
vendor drivers it's often hard just to get the code and keep it in sync,
so I have a lot lower tolerance.
James
James
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2014-05-24 9:53 [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers James Bottomley
2014-05-24 11:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 19:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-25 4:56 ` NeilBrown
2014-05-25 4:57 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 15:41 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 16:05 ` mark gross
2014-05-30 16:45 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-06-01 14:05 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25 8:59 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-26 12:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 12:52 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-27 17:27 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-27 22:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 22:43 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-27 23:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 14:26 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 14:32 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 14:39 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 16:39 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 16:51 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 17:35 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 17:44 ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28 18:38 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 21:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29 9:28 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-29 17:41 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 2:41 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 17:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-30 23:40 ` Greg KH
2014-05-31 16:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-06-01 8:36 ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-31 23:30 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29 18:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-28 22:48 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 23:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 18:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 7:35 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 16:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:37 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:20 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:28 ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-28 17:05 ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-05-28 21:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-28 23:31 ` josh
2014-05-28 23:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29 0:39 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29 0:47 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29 0:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29 6:13 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-29 18:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 23:34 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 2:23 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 4:26 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 5:02 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 5:33 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 14:14 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 16:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers (was: Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 19:54 ` Shuah Khan
2014-06-02 12:00 ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-30 20:50 ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-31 1:44 ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers Li Zefan
2014-05-31 1:54 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-31 2:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31 22:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-31 2:07 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31 3:52 ` Greg KH
2014-05-31 4:08 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 23:47 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers Greg KH
2014-05-30 11:17 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-31 21:05 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-29 10:31 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-29 18:36 ` Greg KH
2014-05-29 15:32 ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28 5:37 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-28 10:06 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-28 13:57 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 14:24 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-26 12:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-24 15:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-05-24 17:31 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-25 4:15 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-05-26 12:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 18:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-25 4:17 ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-25 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-25 9:11 ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-27 8:16 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-25 9:09 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25 22:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-26 15:53 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 14:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-27 20:53 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2014-05-27 21:22 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28 0:10 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-28 0:30 ` Greg KH
2014-05-28 23:25 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28 23:47 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29 4:01 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 5:17 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29 23:56 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 23:59 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29 0:35 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-29 4:36 ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 16:46 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-29 21:57 ` Frank Rowand
2014-05-29 23:12 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 1:10 ` NeilBrown
2014-05-28 5:11 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 12:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 18:47 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 20:15 ` josh
2014-05-29 2:15 ` Rob Herring
2014-05-29 3:34 ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-30 0:52 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-29 8:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2014-05-30 0:47 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 0:51 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 18:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Reforming Acked-by (was Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 19:11 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 19:15 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-28 19:51 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-30 14:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:10 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 21:10 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 21:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-02 2:43 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-06-02 2:53 ` NeilBrown
2014-06-02 3:01 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-28 19:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 20:12 ` josh
2014-05-28 20:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-28 23:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:29 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 14:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-29 14:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 16:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-30 10:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 15:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-29 18:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-29 21:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29 21:03 ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-29 23:30 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 1:12 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 5:04 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 5:39 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 11:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-30 23:39 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 10:08 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 13:07 ` Jan Kara
2014-05-30 13:41 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 15:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-31 1:30 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 14:34 ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 0:55 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 15:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 21:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-30 21:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 22:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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