community develop/contributor call

community develop/contributor call

[Ian Campbell]

Hi all,

For a few years now I've been running a monthly phone call between
various organisations which contribute to Xen, the so called "TCT
Call"[0]. However since then the Xen Project has moved to the Linux
foundation and the introduction of the Advisory Board means this call
isn't really useful in its current form any more.

Rather than just cancelling it I've been thinking of repurposing it into
a more development focused call for all contributors (maintainers, patch
submitters etc).

The idea would be to provide a regular slot where technical and
development topics can be discussed on an on demand basis without the
need to setup an ad-hoc call each time something comes up. In other
words to provide a forum for topics such as thrashing out a more complex
design for a new feature, building consensus on how to move forward with
a stalled patch series, discussing difficult freeze exception requests
during release periods and cases where on list discussion has stalled or
those involved feel the need to have a "live" chat about it for some
reason.

My intention would be the call would be targeted at maintainers and
people who are themselves working on the code/design, although anyone
will be welcome to dial in and take part.

The plan would be to post a call for agenda items to xen-devel a week
beforehand with the call being cancelled the day before if no topics
were proposed (I have no problem with the call only happening
occasionally, there's no point in having it if there are no topics, but
if it's useful a couple of times a year it's worth having IMHO). I
will try and reach out to anyone who should be involved with a proposed
topic to try and ensure that the call has the right people on it in
order to make progress. In the event that some of the participants feel
that a topic is still being usefully discussed on list and that
discussion should remain there then I'll mediate to either gain
consensus one way or another or unblock things some other way etc.

I would expect people decide based on the published agenda each month
whether they want/need to attend. I hope that at least the maintainers
would make an effort to attend if there were topics covering their areas
(and as above I will chase where needed).

In the short term I intend to stick with the same time (5PM UK, on the
second Wednesday of the month) and cadence (monthly) as before, but I
might revisit the timing, in particular if we find the proposed topics
make the time problematic for key people who want to be involved (e.g.
folks in the Far East, for whom 5PM UK is pretty antisocial).

Since that schedule puts a call a week today (14th Jan), I'll send out a
call for agenda later today.

Ian.

[0] http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_Technical_Coordination_Team_%28TCT%29_Meeting

[CALL-FOR-AGENDA] Monthly Xen.org Technical Call (2015-01-14)

[Ian Campbell]

The first Xen technical call will be at:
    Wed 14 Jan 17:00:00 GMT 201
    `date -d @1421254800`

See http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2015-01/msg00414.html
for more information on the call.

Please let me know (CC-ing the list) any topics which you would like to
discuss. It might be useful to include:

  * References to any relevant/recent mailing list threads;
  * Other people who you think should be involved in the discussion (and
    CC them);

If you would like to attend then please let me know so I can send you the
dial in details.

Re: [CALL-FOR-AGENDA] Monthly Xen.org Technical Call (2015-01-14)

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 03:32:15PM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
> The first Xen technical call will be at:
>     Wed 14 Jan 17:00:00 GMT 201
>     `date -d @1421254800`
> 
> See http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2015-01/msg00414.html
> for more information on the call.
> 
> Please let me know (CC-ing the list) any topics which you would like to
> discuss. It might be useful to include:
> 
>   * References to any relevant/recent mailing list threads;
>   * Other people who you think should be involved in the discussion (and
>     CC them);


- Xen 4.5 retrospective (aka - what was good, bad, etc - the idea is to
  improve in the future)
> 
> If you would like to attend then please let me know so I can send you the
> dial in details.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xen-devel mailing list
> Xen-devel@lists.xen.org
> http://lists.xen.org/xen-devel

Re: [CALL-FOR-AGENDA] Monthly Xen.org Technical Call (2015-01-14)

[Ian Campbell]

On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 10:37 -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 03:32:15PM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > The first Xen technical call will be at:
> >     Wed 14 Jan 17:00:00 GMT 201
> >     `date -d @1421254800`
> > 
> > See http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2015-01/msg00414.html
> > for more information on the call.
> > 
> > Please let me know (CC-ing the list) any topics which you would like to
> > discuss. It might be useful to include:
> > 
> >   * References to any relevant/recent mailing list threads;
> >   * Other people who you think should be involved in the discussion (and
> >     CC them);
> 
> 
> - Xen 4.5 retrospective (aka - what was good, bad, etc - the idea is to
>   improve in the future)

Wouldn't this be better done, at least initially, on the list rather
than on a call? Personally I think it will be unwieldy with the number
of people who ought to be involved and/or will have opinions etc and it
isn't not clear to me how this sort of thing will work in the format of
a call.

If you really want to go ahead with this then I'd like you to take the
lead on it please, starting by providing a concrete plan for the
structure of this agenda item (so people know what to expect and what
will be expected of them), whose input you are looking for, as well as
an estimate of how long you think it will all take.

Thanks,
Ian.

> > 
> > If you would like to attend then please let me know so I can send you the
> > dial in details.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xen-devel mailing list
> > Xen-devel@lists.xen.org
> > http://lists.xen.org/xen-devel

Re: [CALL-FOR-AGENDA] Monthly Xen.org Technical Call (2015-01-14)

[Ian Campbell]

On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 15:32 +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
> The first Xen technical call will be at:
>     Wed 14 Jan 17:00:00 GMT 201
>     `date -d @1421254800`
> 
> See http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2015-01/msg00414.html
> for more information on the call.

In the absence of any further information from Konrad on the plans for
the retrospective there are no agenda items and therefore no call
tomorrow.

Thanks,
Ian.