From: Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
hideaki.kimura@hp.com, Aswin Chandramouleeswaran <aswin@hp.com>,
Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
jason.low2@hp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] sched, timer: Remove usages of ACCESS_ONCE in the scheduler
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:49:09 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1429123749.7039.107.camel@j-VirtualBox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150415074601.GC13449@gmail.com>
On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 09:46 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> > You are correct. Now I'm thinking that the WRITE_ONCE() is not needed,
> > and just a:
> >
> > p->mm->numa_scan_seq = READ_ONCE(p->numa_scan_seq) + 1;
> >
> > Can be done. But I'm still trying to wrap my head around why this is
> > needed here. Comments would have been really helpful. We should make
> > all READ_ONCE() WRITE_ONCE and obsolete ACCESS_ONCE() have mandatory
> > comments just like we do with memory barriers.
>
> So the original ACCESS_ONCE() barriers were misguided to begin with: I
> think they tried to handle races with the scheduler balancing softirq
> and tried to avoid having to use atomics for the sequence counter
> (which would be overkill), but things like ACCESS_ONCE(x)++ never
> guaranteed atomicity (or even coherency) of the update.
>
> But since in reality this is only statistical sampling code, all these
> compiler barriers can be removed I think. Peter, Mel, Rik, do you
> agree?
So I'll keep the READ_ONCE nested inside WRITE_ONCE for the purpose of
this patch since this patch is a conversion from ACCESS_ONCE, but yes,
if the original purpose of ACCESS_ONCE was to do an atomic increment,
then the ACCESS_ONCE doesn't help with that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-15 18:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-14 23:09 [PATCH 0/3] sched, timer: Improve scalability of itimers Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched, timer: Remove usages of ACCESS_ONCE in the scheduler Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 2:12 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 2:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 7:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 18:49 ` Jason Low [this message]
2015-04-15 19:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16 2:46 ` Jason Low
2015-04-16 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 18:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 18:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 18:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 19:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 19:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-17 3:25 ` Jason Low
2015-04-17 8:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 21:00 ` Jason Low
2015-04-16 2:29 ` Jason Low
2015-04-16 2:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched, timer: Use atomics for thread_group_cputimer to improve scalability Jason Low
2015-04-15 7:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 7:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 17:14 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 10:37 ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-04-15 19:09 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 13:25 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-15 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-15 20:04 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 14:23 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-04-15 21:15 ` Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched, timer: Use cmpxchg to do updates in update_gt_cputime() Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:53 ` [PATCH 0/3] sched, timer: Improve scalability of itimers Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 7:24 ` Ingo Molnar
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