From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
hideaki.kimura@hp.com, Aswin Chandramouleeswaran <aswin@hp.com>,
Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] sched, timer: Remove usages of ACCESS_ONCE in the scheduler
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:52:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150416165224.GD12676@worktop.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150415074601.GC13449@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 09:46:01AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> @@ -2088,7 +2088,7 @@ void task_numa_fault(int last_cpupid, int mem_node, int pages, int flags)
>
> static void reset_ptenuma_scan(struct task_struct *p)
> {
> - ACCESS_ONCE(p->mm->numa_scan_seq)++;
> + WRITE_ONCE(p->mm->numa_scan_seq, READ_ONCE(p->mm->numa_scan_seq) + 1);
vs
seq = ACCESS_ONCE(p->mm->numa_scan_seq);
if (p->numa_scan_seq == seq)
return;
p->numa_scan_seq = seq;
> So the original ACCESS_ONCE() barriers were misguided to begin with: I
> think they tried to handle races with the scheduler balancing softirq
> and tried to avoid having to use atomics for the sequence counter
> (which would be overkill), but things like ACCESS_ONCE(x)++ never
> guaranteed atomicity (or even coherency) of the update.
>
> But since in reality this is only statistical sampling code, all these
> compiler barriers can be removed I think. Peter, Mel, Rik, do you
> agree?
ACCESS_ONCE() is not a compiler barrier
The 'read' side uses ACCESS_ONCE() for two purposes:
- to load the value once, we don't want the seq number to change under
us for obvious reasons
- to avoid load tearing and observe weird seq numbers
The update side uses ACCESS_ONCE() to avoid write tearing, and strictly
speaking it should also worry about read-tearing since its not hard
serialized, although its very unlikely to actually have concurrency
(IIRC).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-16 16:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-14 23:09 [PATCH 0/3] sched, timer: Improve scalability of itimers Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched, timer: Remove usages of ACCESS_ONCE in the scheduler Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 2:12 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 2:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 7:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 18:49 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 19:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16 2:46 ` Jason Low
2015-04-16 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-04-16 18:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 18:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 18:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 19:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-16 19:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-17 3:25 ` Jason Low
2015-04-17 8:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-16 21:00 ` Jason Low
2015-04-16 2:29 ` Jason Low
2015-04-16 2:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched, timer: Use atomics for thread_group_cputimer to improve scalability Jason Low
2015-04-15 7:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 7:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-15 17:14 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 10:37 ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-04-15 19:09 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 13:25 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-15 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-15 20:04 ` Jason Low
2015-04-15 14:23 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-04-15 21:15 ` Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched, timer: Use cmpxchg to do updates in update_gt_cputime() Jason Low
2015-04-14 23:53 ` [PATCH 0/3] sched, timer: Improve scalability of itimers Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 7:24 ` Ingo Molnar
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