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From: Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at>
To: Havoc Pennington <hp@pobox.com>
Cc: Johannes Stezenbach <js@sig21.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 03:51:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1429667524.3948.72.camel@thorin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEntwhGfpfAPH7dy1giec2LYjYxxDXM_PzKoT4Zn9YURPayrzg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

On Die, 2015-04-21 at 09:37 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
[...]
> This has long been sort of the 'party line' and I've told many people
> this on the dbus mailing list over the years (almost exactly what you
> just said - that for performance-critical cases they should open a
> direct socket or use something else or whatever). Usually this makes
> app developers a little cranky because something that was going to be
> easy in their mind just got harder.

Perhaps these developers should rethink the design and protocols of
their apps - or pay the price for a stupid design which relies on heavy
IPC traffic (and usually - sooner or later - heavy network traffic).
Or - at least - deliver a (technical!) proof why this isn't feasible.

The case of "patching the kernel to lie about the kernel's command line"
just because some ill-designed user-space daemon misused it" was bad
enough and the above smells quite similarly.

Kind regards,
	Bernd
-- 
"I dislike type abstraction if it has no real reason. And saving
on typing is not a good reason - if your typing speed is the main
issue when you're coding, you're doing something seriously wrong."
    - Linus Torvalds


  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-22  1:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 333+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-15 18:18 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:37   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:16   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:37 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 18:20 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-20 20:43   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 20:56     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 21:16       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 21:46         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 22:06           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21  7:38             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21  9:35             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 10:17               ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 12:20                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:01                   ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 14:27                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:47                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 18:11                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 14:57                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-22 19:36                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 12:46                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-27 20:11                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 17:24                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 10:51               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:03                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-21 12:56                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:31             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:53               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 11:09                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:39                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 13:18               ` Olivier Galibert
2015-04-21 13:48                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 15:53                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 18:18               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21  8:18           ` Richard Cochran
2015-04-21  9:07         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21 13:37           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22  1:51             ` Bernd Petrovitsch [this message]
2015-04-22  3:11               ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 13:09             ` Johannes Stezenbach
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-20 20:26 George Spelvin
2015-04-21 12:08 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-13 19:03 Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-13 19:42   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:49     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 19:54       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:57         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:03           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:08             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:22     ` Al Viro
2015-04-13 20:37       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  1:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  6:54         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  7:31           ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 14:48             ` Michal Schmidt
2015-04-15 15:34               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 16:42               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-17 16:53               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15  8:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:00             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:20               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:21                 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  9:27                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:30                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:49                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:53                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:44                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:40                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 13:03                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:41                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 16:40                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:48                             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:33                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:06                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16  8:43                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:20                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:41                               ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 17:55                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 21:55                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:12                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 19:04                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 11:25             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 13:20               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 15:46                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 16:35                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:06                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:31                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:04                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 21:56                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 22:11                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:18                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:28                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:48                               ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:54                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 23:27                                   ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  0:47                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16  1:04                                       ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  5:53                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:56                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 10:31                           ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 12:02                             ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 12:15                               ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-16 12:43                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-21 16:36                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-21 19:38                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2015-04-21 19:55                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15  8:18         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  8:32           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:52             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:02               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 11:52                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:29         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14  0:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-14  0:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:55     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-22  8:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 19:14     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 20:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 21:22         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-23 21:33           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24 14:02             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-23 21:41           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24  5:02             ` Steven Noonan
2015-04-24  9:04               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 10:28                 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24 10:50                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 11:26                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24  6:36         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  6:45           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  7:27             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-24  8:35             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-13 20:45   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 21:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:50       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 18:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 19:23           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:24             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-14 19:32               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:40                 ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:48                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:53                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:44                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:54                         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  9:09                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:36                             ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 13:13                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:47                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15  9:35                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:45                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 20:11                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-14 22:39                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:38                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 10:37                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 11:49                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:03                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:41                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 14:06                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:27                                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 12:55                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 17:33                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:11                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:35             ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:43               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:59                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15 18:04                   ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 22:22                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 16:02                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 17:31                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 20:55                         ` Al Viro
2015-04-18 11:44                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 16:37                     ` Robert Schwebel
2015-04-17 13:45                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 16:54                   ` Diego Viola
2015-04-21 17:06                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 17:25                       ` Diego Viola
2015-04-14 20:14             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-14 21:51               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 22:05                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  6:56                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:37                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:12                     ` James Bottomley
2015-04-16 12:13                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-17 19:27                         ` James Bottomley
2015-04-17 20:27                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 21:45                             ` Alex Elsayed
2015-04-20 18:01                             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-21  8:09                               ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-21 18:25                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  8:35               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:00           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:09             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 12:18               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:30                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:27               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 22:33         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 11:06             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:00               ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 16:44                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 18:16                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:40                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 20:22                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 20:41                     ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 21:07                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-16 18:03                       ` Djalal Harouni
2015-04-15 21:58                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 13:13                     ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 14:34                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 15:01                         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 17:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-17  9:19                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-17 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-20 12:43                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-20 20:03                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 19:01                       ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 13:23                         ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-17 14:54                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 22:08                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 13:14                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 17:15                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 13:05 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 14:17   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 16:36   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 16:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:16       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 17:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:42         ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-23 19:30           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  2:08             ` Karol Lewandowski
2015-04-29 21:16               ` Paul Moore
2015-04-23 17:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:56             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 19:22               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 19:33                 ` Greg KH
2015-04-23 20:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 20:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 13:50         ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 14:19           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:34             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 19:25               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27  8:57                 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 17:18                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27 22:29                   ` David Lang
2015-04-28 10:53                     ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 21:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 21:40             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 22:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 22:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-28 13:44                   ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 14:48                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 17:18                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-28 20:25                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 23:12                           ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29  0:45                             ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-29 11:33                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 12:47                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:33                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 13:38                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:46                                   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:01                                     ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:04                                       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:11                                         ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:18                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:53                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:58                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:03                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-29 15:21                                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-30  9:05                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30  9:12                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 10:19                                                       ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 10:40                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:16                                                           ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:23                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:40                                                               ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:45                                                                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 14:52                                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 15:05                                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-03  9:13                                                                     ` cee1
2015-04-29 16:25                                                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 14:46                                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 14:51                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:07                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:17                                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 15:22                                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:41                                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 18:28                                                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:26                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 17:39                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-29 19:10                                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 19:28                                       ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:49                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30  0:05                                       ` David Lang
2015-04-30  0:15                                         ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-30  0:18                                           ` David Lang
2015-04-30  1:20                                             ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-29 13:35                               ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:18                                 ` Simon McVittie
2015-04-29 17:48                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:27                               ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:36                                 ` David Lang
2015-04-29 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 19:30                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 19:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:15                                     ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:24                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:43                                         ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:51                                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-30  1:42                                             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:34                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-30 20:14                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-01 15:49                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-28 17:19                       ` David Lang
2015-04-28 19:19                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 20:34                           ` David Lang
2015-04-28 20:42                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-22 17:33                   ` Jindrich Makovicka
2015-06-22 20:23                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-22 21:24                   ` Jindřich Makovička
2015-07-07 21:40                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-28 12:49                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 10:39             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-23 18:33   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-23 19:01     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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