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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: mdroth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Liu Ping Fan <qemulist@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/2] port network layer onto glib
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1447652481.7556290.1363198114363.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d2v3b2s1.fsf@codemonkey.ws>


> 1) It has no facility for timer events

Yup, it's on the todo list.

> 2) It's tied to file descriptors (only a problem for win32)

The other way round: it's not tied to file descriptors for win32,
which is already a problem for e.g. networked backends.  main-loop.c
has the code that is needed, but it's low on the todo list.

Note that tap-win32 for example doesn't need this.

> 3) The fd support is tied to read/write without an extensibility
> mechanism for other fd events

Yes.  Though internally it uses g_poll, so it's "just" a matter
of defining the right API.
 
> 4) It's got no mechanism to interact with signals

signalfd?  (GSource doesn't have any such mechanism directly).

> 5) It's not obvious how we would integrate with polling-based
> callbacks like we have in the character layer and networking layer.

Isn't io_flush one such mechanism?  Right now it applies to both
io_read and io_write, but really it is never used for io_write.

Also, this and (3) might be the same problem.

> So I agree it's simple but I don't think it can reasonably stay simple.
> I think if we added all of the above, the best we would expect to end
> up with is something that looked like glib.
>
> As it stands, the lack of (5) would make it extremely difficult to
> convert the networking layer.

Quite possible, I've never looked very much at the networking layer.

Paolo

> Regards,
> 
> Anthony Liguori
> 
> >
> >>> and AioContext's code is vastly simpler than GMainLoop's.
> >> 
> >> For now.
> >
> > Fair enough. :)
> >
> >>> AioContext is also documented and unit tested, with tests
> >>> for both standalone and GSource operation.  Unit tests for
> >>> AioContext
> >>> users are trivial to write, we have one in test-thread-pool.
> >>>
> >>>> Did you have a specific concern with using glib vs. AioContext?
> >>>>  Is it
> >>>> about reusing code in the block layer where AioContext is
> >>>> required?
> >>>
> >>> In the short term yes, code duplication is a concern.  We already
> >>> have
> >>> two implementation of virtio.
> >> 
> >> I share your concern but in the opposite direction.  We have three
> >> main
> >> loops today.
> >
> > Yes, and two of them (main-loop.c/qemu-timer.c and async.c) can be
> > merged.
> >
> >>> I would like the dataplane virtio code to
> >>> grow everything else that needs to be in all dataplane-style
> >>> devices
> >>> (for example, things such as setting up the guest<->host
> >>> notifiers), and
> >>> the hw/virtio.c API implemented on top of it (or dead
> >>> altogether).
> >>> Usage of AioContext is pretty much forced by the block layer.
> >> 
> >> I don't think that AioContext is the right answer because it makes
> >> it
> >> too easy to shoot yourself in the foot.
> >
> > See above, if nesting is the problem it's gone.
> >
> > Paolo
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-13 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-13  5:59 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/2] port network layer onto glib Liu Ping Fan
2013-03-13  5:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/2] net: port tap " Liu Ping Fan
2013-03-13  5:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 2/2] net: port hub " Liu Ping Fan
2013-03-13 10:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/2] port network layer " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-13 12:34   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-13 16:21     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-13 17:06       ` mdroth
2013-03-13 17:31         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-13 17:52           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-13 18:09             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-13 17:23       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-13 17:35         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-13 17:52           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-14  9:29             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-14  9:53               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-13 17:58           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-13 18:08             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-03-13 18:51               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-14 10:04     ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-14 10:53       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-14 11:00         ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-14 11:04           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-14 11:26             ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-15  9:13       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-19  9:30       ` Markus Armbruster
2013-03-19 10:12         ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-19 10:34           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 10:38             ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-19 10:45               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-14 14:08   ` liu ping fan
2013-03-14 14:18     ` Paolo Bonzini

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