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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:39:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1479901185.4306.38.camel@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41d802dc-873a-ff02-17ff-93ce50f3e925@gmail.com>

On Tue, 2016-11-22 at 16:59 +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:

>        ┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
>        │FIXME                                                │
>        ├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
>        │The following is a little vague. Does it need to  be │
>        │made more precise?                                   │
>        └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
>        The CFS scheduler employs an algorithm that distributes the CPU
>        across task groups.  As a result of this  algorithm,  the  pro‐
>        cesses  in task groups that contain multiple CPU-intensive pro‐
>        cesses are in effect disfavored by the scheduler.

Mmmm, they're actually equalized (modulo smp fairness goop), but I see
what you mean.

>        A process's autogroup (task group) membership can be viewed via
>        the file /proc/[pid]/autogroup:
> 
>            $ cat /proc/1/autogroup
>            /autogroup-1 nice 0
> 
>        This  file  can  also be used to modify the CPU bandwidth allo‐
>        cated to a task group.  This is done by writing a number in the
>        "nice"  range  to  the file to set the task group's nice value.
>        The allowed range is from +19 (low priority) to -20 (high  pri‐
>        ority).   Note that all values in this range cause a task group
>        to be further disfavored by the scheduler, with  -20  resulting
>        in  the  scheduler  mildy  disfavoring  the  task group and +19
>        greatly disfavoring it.

Group nice levels exactly work the same as task nice levels, ie
negative nice increases share, positive nice decreases it relative to
the default nice 0.

>        ┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
>        │FIXME                                                │
>        ├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
>        │Regarding the previous paragraph...  My tests  indi‐ │
>        │cate  that writing *any* value to the autogroup file │
>        │causes the task group to get a lower priority.

(patchlet.. I'd prefer to whack the knob, but like the on/off switch,
it may be in use, so I guess we're stuck with it)

>        ┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
>        │FIXME                                                │
>        ├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
>        │Is the following correct? Does the statement need to │
>        │be  more  precise? (E.g., in precisely which circum‐ │
>        │stances does the use of cgroups override autogroup?) │
>        └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
>        The use of the cgroups(7) CPU controller overrides  the  effect
>        of autogrouping.

Correct, autogroup defers to cgroups.  Perhaps mention that moving a
task back to the root task group will result in the autogroup again
taking effect.

>        ┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
>        │FIXME                                                │
>        ├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
>        │What  needs to be said about autogroup and real-time │
>        │tasks?                                               │
>        └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

That it does not group realtime tasks, they are auto-deflected to the
root task group.

	-Mike

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-23 11:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-22 15:59 RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 10:33 ` [patch] sched/autogroup: Fix 64bit kernel nice adjustment Mike Galbraith
     [not found]   ` <1479897217.4306.6.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 13:47     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 13:47       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]       ` <d21cf0b2-5c62-5a49-8758-58793c454cc2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 14:12         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 14:12           ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 14:20           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]             ` <34cea28b-c8c7-31e3-e920-90f113d22abe-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 15:55               ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 15:55                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24  6:24     ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched/autogroup: Fix 64-bit kernel nice level adjustment tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24  6:24       ` tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 11:39 ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
     [not found]   ` <1479901185.4306.38.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 13:54     ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 13:54       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]       ` <327586fa-4672-d070-0ded-850654586273-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 15:33         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 15:33           ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]           ` <1479915229.4306.106.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 16:04             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 16:04               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 17:11               ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24 21:41                 ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature [v2] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 12:52                   ` Afzal Mohammed
2016-11-25 13:04                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 13:04                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                   ` <c5a9acd3-6b60-192c-312e-2777f2d537c2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 13:02                     ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-25 13:02                       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-25 15:04                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 15:51                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                           ` <1480089063.4075.80.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:08                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:08                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                               ` <d3d491d3-0770-d017-4f3c-43d88346835c-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:18                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:18                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                   ` <20161125161810.GR3092-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:34                                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:34                                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                       ` <2cc53b76-668b-edf1-6aa7-e6cb5a9801e1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 20:54                                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 20:54                                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                           ` <af075c46-152a-0392-d33f-c7956d3c8a0b-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 21:49                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 21:49                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                               ` <20161125214936.GB3045-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29  7:43                                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-29  7:43                                                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                                   ` <755aba1b-9bf4-0277-0628-b27e725ee2f9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 11:46                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-29 11:46                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                       ` <20161129114629.GG3092-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 13:44                                                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-29 13:44                                                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                         ` <ca16c155-22be-df06-4f2d-4337b72381de-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 15:48                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 15:48                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:04                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:04                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                             ` <20161125160456.GP3092-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:13                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:13                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:33                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:33                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                 ` <c0f61369-9601-0c90-8b85-61e75e4f4e82-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 22:48                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 22:48                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-23 16:05             ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 16:05               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]               ` <fc3ae5c6-5a50-e991-71fd-b544096bbe5c-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 17:19                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 17:19                   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                   ` <1479921544.4306.157.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 22:12                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 22:12                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-27 21:13             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-27 21:13               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]               ` <8614679c-b1d3-3b35-193d-2ab6eac45aff-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-28  1:46                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-28  1:46                   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                   ` <1127218a-dd9b-71a8-845d-3a83969632fc@gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <1127218a-dd9b-71a8-845d-3a83969632fc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29  9:10                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-29  9:10                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                         ` <CAKgNAkiLafr7KJNAo+_kwKQB7ueO-oontNL_FQrGtqitmJpEDg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 13:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-29 13:46                             ` Mike Galbraith

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