From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
linux-man <linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature [v2]
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:48:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161125224816.GC3045@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c0f61369-9601-0c90-8b85-61e75e4f4e82-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:33:23PM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Okay -- you're really quite the ASCII artist. And somehow,
> I think you needed to compose the mail in LaTeX. But thanks
> for the detail. It's helpful, for me at least.
Hehe, its been a while since I did LaTeX, so I'd probably make a mess of
it :-) Glad my ramblings made sense.
> > Note that this property, where the weight of the server entity is
> > independent from its child entities is a desired feature. Without that
> > it would be impossible to control the relative weights of groups, and
> > that is the sole parameter of the WFQ model.
> >
> > It is also why Linus so likes autogroups, each session competes equally
> > amongst one another.
>
> I get it. But, the behavior changes for the process nice value are
> undocumented, and they should be documented. I understand
> what the behavior change was. But not yet when.
Well, its all undocumented -- I suppose you're about to go fix that :-)
But think of it differently, think of the group as a container, then the
behaviour inside the container is exactly as expected.
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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature [v2]
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:48:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161125224816.GC3045@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c0f61369-9601-0c90-8b85-61e75e4f4e82@gmail.com>
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:33:23PM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Okay -- you're really quite the ASCII artist. And somehow,
> I think you needed to compose the mail in LaTeX. But thanks
> for the detail. It's helpful, for me at least.
Hehe, its been a while since I did LaTeX, so I'd probably make a mess of
it :-) Glad my ramblings made sense.
> > Note that this property, where the weight of the server entity is
> > independent from its child entities is a desired feature. Without that
> > it would be impossible to control the relative weights of groups, and
> > that is the sole parameter of the WFQ model.
> >
> > It is also why Linus so likes autogroups, each session competes equally
> > amongst one another.
>
> I get it. But, the behavior changes for the process nice value are
> undocumented, and they should be documented. I understand
> what the behavior change was. But not yet when.
Well, its all undocumented -- I suppose you're about to go fix that :-)
But think of it differently, think of the group as a container, then the
behaviour inside the container is exactly as expected.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-11-25 22:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-22 15:59 RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 10:33 ` [patch] sched/autogroup: Fix 64bit kernel nice adjustment Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <1479897217.4306.6.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 13:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 13:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <d21cf0b2-5c62-5a49-8758-58793c454cc2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 14:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 14:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 14:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <34cea28b-c8c7-31e3-e920-90f113d22abe-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 15:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 15:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24 6:24 ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched/autogroup: Fix 64-bit kernel nice level adjustment tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24 6:24 ` tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 11:39 ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <1479901185.4306.38.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 13:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 13:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <327586fa-4672-d070-0ded-850654586273-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 15:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 15:33 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <1479915229.4306.106.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 16:04 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 16:04 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 17:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24 21:41 ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature [v2] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 12:52 ` Afzal Mohammed
2016-11-25 13:04 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 13:04 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <c5a9acd3-6b60-192c-312e-2777f2d537c2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 13:02 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-25 13:02 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-25 15:04 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 15:51 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <1480089063.4075.80.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:08 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:08 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <d3d491d3-0770-d017-4f3c-43d88346835c-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20161125161810.GR3092-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:34 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:34 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <2cc53b76-668b-edf1-6aa7-e6cb5a9801e1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 20:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 20:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <af075c46-152a-0392-d33f-c7956d3c8a0b-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 21:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 21:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20161125214936.GB3045-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 7:43 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-29 7:43 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <755aba1b-9bf4-0277-0628-b27e725ee2f9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 11:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-29 11:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20161129114629.GG3092-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 13:44 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-29 13:44 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <ca16c155-22be-df06-4f2d-4337b72381de-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 15:48 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 15:48 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20161125160456.GP3092-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 16:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:33 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:33 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <c0f61369-9601-0c90-8b85-61e75e4f4e82-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 22:48 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-11-25 22:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-23 16:05 ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 16:05 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <fc3ae5c6-5a50-e991-71fd-b544096bbe5c-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 17:19 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 17:19 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <1479921544.4306.157.camel-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 22:12 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 22:12 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-27 21:13 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-27 21:13 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <8614679c-b1d3-3b35-193d-2ab6eac45aff-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-28 1:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-28 1:46 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <1127218a-dd9b-71a8-845d-3a83969632fc@gmail.com>
[not found] ` <1127218a-dd9b-71a8-845d-3a83969632fc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 9:10 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-29 9:10 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <CAKgNAkiLafr7KJNAo+_kwKQB7ueO-oontNL_FQrGtqitmJpEDg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 13:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-29 13:46 ` Mike Galbraith
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