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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
To: Jeffrey Altman <jaltman-hRzEac23uH1Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel
	<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	lsf-pc-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] Authentication Contexts for network file systems and Containers was Re: [LSF/MM ATTEND] FS jitter testing, network caching, Lustre, cluster filesystems.
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:03:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1484600605.2540.73.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c663a698-7116-76ac-25ee-c0ea35971a05-hRzEac23uH1Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, 2017-01-16 at 15:39 -0500, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> 	Error verifying signature: parse error
> --------------ms000508080908050405010401
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>  boundary="------------049F6401F78BABEBFB8F74AC"
> 
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --------------049F6401F78BABEBFB8F74AC
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> On 1/16/2017 12:46 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> > 
> > For identity, doesn't the UTS namespace do this?  If not, what is
> > missing?
> > =20
> > James
> 
> James,
> 
> Thanks for posing the question.
> 
> Unless I'm missing something, the UTS namespace permits an alternate
> 'hostname' and NIS 'domainname' to be specified for local visibility 
> to the processes running in the container.
> 
> For an /afs network file system client (kafs, OpenAFS or AuriStorFS) 
> the kernel module must be able to associate each process with an
> authentication context.  The AFS family of file systems have 
> implemented this binding as part of its Process Authentication Group 
> (PAG) concept. A PAG is a set of processes that share an 
> authentication context.   The authentication context includes:
[...]

OK, so snipping all the details: it's a per process property and
inherited, I don't even see that it needs anything container specific. 
 The pid namespace should be sufficient to keep any potential security
leaks contained and the inheritance model should just work with
containers.

> While a file system can internally create an association between an
> authentication content with a file descriptor once it is created and
> with pages for write-back, I believe there would be benefit from a 
> more generic method of tracking authentication contexts in file
> descriptors and pages.  In particular would be better defined 
> behavior when a file has been opened for "write" from processes 
> associated with more than one authentication context.

As long as an "authentication" becomes a property of a file descriptor
(like a token), then I don't see any container problems: fds are
namespace blind, so they can be passed between containers and your
authorizations would go with them.  If you need to go back to a process
as part of the authorization, then there would be problems because
processes are namespaced.

> For example, the problems that AFS is currently experiencing with
> systemd. A good description of problem by Jonathan Billings can be
> found at
> 
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P27fP1uj-C8QdxDKMKtI-Qh00c5_9zJa4
> YHjn=pB6ODM/pub

This is giving me "Sorry, the file you have requested does not exist."

James

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@auristor.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] Authentication Contexts for network file systems and Containers was Re: [LSF/MM ATTEND] FS jitter testing, network caching, Lustre, cluster filesystems.
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:03:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1484600605.2540.73.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c663a698-7116-76ac-25ee-c0ea35971a05@auristor.com>

On Mon, 2017-01-16 at 15:39 -0500, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> 	Error verifying signature: parse error
> --------------ms000508080908050405010401
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>  boundary="------------049F6401F78BABEBFB8F74AC"
> 
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --------------049F6401F78BABEBFB8F74AC
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> On 1/16/2017 12:46 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> > 
> > For identity, doesn't the UTS namespace do this?  If not, what is
> > missing?
> > =20
> > James
> 
> James,
> 
> Thanks for posing the question.
> 
> Unless I'm missing something, the UTS namespace permits an alternate
> 'hostname' and NIS 'domainname' to be specified for local visibility 
> to the processes running in the container.
> 
> For an /afs network file system client (kafs, OpenAFS or AuriStorFS) 
> the kernel module must be able to associate each process with an
> authentication context.  The AFS family of file systems have 
> implemented this binding as part of its Process Authentication Group 
> (PAG) concept. A PAG is a set of processes that share an 
> authentication context.   The authentication context includes:
[...]

OK, so snipping all the details: it's a per process property and
inherited, I don't even see that it needs anything container specific. 
 The pid namespace should be sufficient to keep any potential security
leaks contained and the inheritance model should just work with
containers.

> While a file system can internally create an association between an
> authentication content with a file descriptor once it is created and
> with pages for write-back, I believe there would be benefit from a 
> more generic method of tracking authentication contexts in file
> descriptors and pages.  In particular would be better defined 
> behavior when a file has been opened for "write" from processes 
> associated with more than one authentication context.

As long as an "authentication" becomes a property of a file descriptor
(like a token), then I don't see any container problems: fds are
namespace blind, so they can be passed between containers and your
authorizations would go with them.  If you need to go back to a process
as part of the authorization, then there would be problems because
processes are namespaced.

> For example, the problems that AFS is currently experiencing with
> systemd. A good description of problem by Jonathan Billings can be
> found at
> 
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P27fP1uj-C8QdxDKMKtI-Qh00c5_9zJa4
> YHjn=pB6ODM/pub

This is giving me "Sorry, the file you have requested does not exist."

James


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-16 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-15 23:38 [LSF/MM ATTEND] FS jitter testing, network caching, Lustre, cluster filesystems Oleg Drokin
2017-01-16 17:17 ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-01-16 17:23   ` Jeffrey Altman
2017-01-16 17:42     ` Chuck Lever
2017-01-16 17:46       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <1484588818.2540.43.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-16 20:39           ` Authentication Contexts for network file systems and Containers was " Jeffrey Altman
2017-01-16 20:39             ` Jeffrey Altman
     [not found]             ` <c663a698-7116-76ac-25ee-c0ea35971a05-hRzEac23uH1Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-16 21:03               ` James Bottomley [this message]
2017-01-16 21:03                 ` [Lsf-pc] " James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1484600605.2540.73.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-17 16:29                   ` Jeffrey Altman
2017-01-17 16:29                     ` Jeffrey Altman
     [not found]                     ` <7ba053a6-90af-ffc6-e8cd-9bfe0be41a18-hRzEac23uH1Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-17 16:34                       ` Trond Myklebust
2017-01-17 16:34                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                         ` <1484670853.4725.1.camel-7I+n7zu2hftEKMMhf/gKZA@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-17 17:10                           ` Jeffrey Altman
2017-01-17 17:10                             ` Jeffrey Altman
     [not found] ` <D863EDBD-277B-4CC3-854F-D57FF4501542-SOTZviwpzew/JUsKyNonYw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-16 17:32   ` [Lsf-pc] " James Bottomley
2017-01-16 17:32     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]     ` <1484587952.2540.42.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-16 18:02       ` Oleg Drokin
2017-01-16 18:02     ` Oleg Drokin
2017-01-16 18:21       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-16 18:39         ` Oleg Drokin
     [not found]           ` <9CA51BCE-7FF9-4212-9C43-B8B3667E7E6D-SOTZviwpzew/JUsKyNonYw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-16 20:58             ` James Bottomley
2017-01-16 20:58               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]               ` <1484600330.2540.69.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-17  7:00                 ` Oleg Drokin
2017-01-17  7:00                   ` Oleg Drokin
     [not found]                   ` <AE738992-D640-48B1-B7C3-E4E798504F7A-SOTZviwpzew/JUsKyNonYw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-17 14:26                     ` James Bottomley
2017-01-17 14:26                       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                       ` <1484663167.2433.8.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-17 17:41                         ` Oleg Drokin
2017-01-17 17:41                           ` Oleg Drokin
2017-01-17 14:56                     ` James Bottomley
2017-01-17 14:56                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <1484590862.2540.51.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-16 18:39           ` Oleg Drokin
     [not found]       ` <F7FABA22-8B7D-4C77-A360-4454A5571C8F-SOTZviwpzew/JUsKyNonYw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-16 18:21         ` James Bottomley

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