* Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Update for the current location of the bcm2835 tree.
@ 2017-01-31 20:32 ` Michael Zoran
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Michael Zoran @ 2017-01-31 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Anholt, Florian Fainelli
Cc: Lee Jones, linux-kernel, bcm-kernel-feedback-list,
linux-rpi-kernel, linux-arm-kernel
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Anholt wrote:
> I've been maintaining the bcm2835 branches here for a year or so.
>
> Signed-off-by: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> ---
> MAINTAINERS | 2 +-
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> index 844835563ef8..64b281a7ff09 100644
> --- a/MAINTAINERS
> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> @@ -2624,7 +2624,7 @@ M: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
> M: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> L: linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
> subscribers)
> L: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
> subscribers)
> -T: git
> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rpi/linux-rpi.git
> +T: git git://github.com/anholt/linux
> S: Maintained
> N: bcm283[5-7x]
> F: drivers/staging/vc04_services
Just to add two cents here, since this is sort of a open source
community driven thing, I think there should be multiple maintainers in
case of a disagreement. 2 is good, 3 is better so that it's impossible
to have a split disagreement and the third person can break the tie.
Github is cool as the e-mail based system is really, really bad. But
if it is on github, I think it should have a neutral name not a
person's name and allow multiple people to merge in pulls.
Unless of course, Eric wants to take 100% control of this whole thing.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Update for the current location of the bcm2835 tree.
2017-01-31 20:32 ` Michael Zoran
@ 2017-01-31 20:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
-1 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Russell King - ARM Linux @ 2017-01-31 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:32:59PM -0800, Michael Zoran wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Anholt wrote:
> > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > index 844835563ef8..64b281a7ff09 100644
> > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > @@ -2624,7 +2624,7 @@ M: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
> > ?M: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> > ?L: linux-rpi-kernel at lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
> > subscribers)
> > ?L: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
> > subscribers)
> > -T: git
> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rpi/linux-rpi.git
> > +T: git git://github.com/anholt/linux
> > ?S: Maintained
> > ?N: bcm283[5-7x]
> > ?F: drivers/staging/vc04_services
>
> Just to add two cents here, since this is sort of a open source
> community driven thing, I think there should be multiple maintainers in
> case of a disagreement. 2 is good, 3 is better so that it's impossible
> to have a split disagreement and the third person can break the tie.
>
> Github is cool as the e-mail based system is really, really bad. But
> if it is on github, I think it should have a neutral name not a
> person's name and allow multiple people to merge in pulls.
The email-based "system" is standard Linux policy for patch review,
which has been established as a way of minimising the effort otherwise
required by reviewers.
If folk want to deal with stuff "internally" on github off-list, that's
fine, but in order to get patches upstreamed, the patches still need to
be posted to a public Linux mailing list for review purposes.
You can't get away from the "e-mail based system". Sorry.
--
RMK's Patch system: http://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: currently at 9.6Mbps down 400kbps up
according to speedtest.net.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Update for the current location of the bcm2835 tree.
@ 2017-01-31 20:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Russell King - ARM Linux @ 2017-01-31 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Zoran
Cc: Eric Anholt, Florian Fainelli, Lee Jones,
bcm-kernel-feedback-list, linux-kernel, linux-arm-kernel,
linux-rpi-kernel
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:32:59PM -0800, Michael Zoran wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Anholt wrote:
> > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > index 844835563ef8..64b281a7ff09 100644
> > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > @@ -2624,7 +2624,7 @@ M: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
> > M: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> > L: linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
> > subscribers)
> > L: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
> > subscribers)
> > -T: git
> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rpi/linux-rpi.git
> > +T: git git://github.com/anholt/linux
> > S: Maintained
> > N: bcm283[5-7x]
> > F: drivers/staging/vc04_services
>
> Just to add two cents here, since this is sort of a open source
> community driven thing, I think there should be multiple maintainers in
> case of a disagreement. 2 is good, 3 is better so that it's impossible
> to have a split disagreement and the third person can break the tie.
>
> Github is cool as the e-mail based system is really, really bad. But
> if it is on github, I think it should have a neutral name not a
> person's name and allow multiple people to merge in pulls.
The email-based "system" is standard Linux policy for patch review,
which has been established as a way of minimising the effort otherwise
required by reviewers.
If folk want to deal with stuff "internally" on github off-list, that's
fine, but in order to get patches upstreamed, the patches still need to
be posted to a public Linux mailing list for review purposes.
You can't get away from the "e-mail based system". Sorry.
--
RMK's Patch system: http://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: currently at 9.6Mbps down 400kbps up
according to speedtest.net.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Update for the current location of the bcm2835 tree.
2017-01-31 20:32 ` Michael Zoran
@ 2017-01-31 20:55 ` Florian Fainelli
-1 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Florian Fainelli @ 2017-01-31 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On 01/31/2017 12:32 PM, Michael Zoran wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Anholt wrote:
>> I've been maintaining the bcm2835 branches here for a year or so.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
>> ---
>> MAINTAINERS | 2 +-
>> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
>> index 844835563ef8..64b281a7ff09 100644
>> --- a/MAINTAINERS
>> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
>> @@ -2624,7 +2624,7 @@ M: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
>> M: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
>> L: linux-rpi-kernel at lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
>> subscribers)
>> L: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
>> subscribers)
>> -T: git
>> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rpi/linux-rpi.git
>> +T: git git://github.com/anholt/linux
>> S: Maintained
>> N: bcm283[5-7x]
>> F: drivers/staging/vc04_services
>
> Just to add two cents here, since this is sort of a open source
> community driven thing, I think there should be multiple maintainers in
> case of a disagreement. 2 is good, 3 is better so that it's impossible
> to have a split disagreement and the third person can break the tie.
You may want to look at the file, and not the diff, which is already
listing 3 people.
>
> Github is cool as the e-mail based system is really, really bad. But
> if it is on github, I think it should have a neutral name not a
> person's name and allow multiple people to merge in pulls.
>
> Unless of course, Eric wants to take 100% control of this whole thing.
>
Really not clear what point you are trying to make here, other than you
may not like how things are, but at some point, someone needs to merge
patches somewhere, in a repository that's convenient, only to have them
pulled by whoever is next up in the food chain. Where the code is really
does not matter much because: git is distributed, patches can be
collected from mailing-list archives.
--
Florian
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Update for the current location of the bcm2835 tree.
@ 2017-01-31 20:55 ` Florian Fainelli
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Florian Fainelli @ 2017-01-31 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Zoran, Eric Anholt, Florian Fainelli
Cc: Lee Jones, linux-kernel, bcm-kernel-feedback-list,
linux-rpi-kernel, linux-arm-kernel
On 01/31/2017 12:32 PM, Michael Zoran wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Anholt wrote:
>> I've been maintaining the bcm2835 branches here for a year or so.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
>> ---
>> MAINTAINERS | 2 +-
>> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
>> index 844835563ef8..64b281a7ff09 100644
>> --- a/MAINTAINERS
>> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
>> @@ -2624,7 +2624,7 @@ M: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
>> M: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
>> L: linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
>> subscribers)
>> L: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for non-
>> subscribers)
>> -T: git
>> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rpi/linux-rpi.git
>> +T: git git://github.com/anholt/linux
>> S: Maintained
>> N: bcm283[5-7x]
>> F: drivers/staging/vc04_services
>
> Just to add two cents here, since this is sort of a open source
> community driven thing, I think there should be multiple maintainers in
> case of a disagreement. 2 is good, 3 is better so that it's impossible
> to have a split disagreement and the third person can break the tie.
You may want to look at the file, and not the diff, which is already
listing 3 people.
>
> Github is cool as the e-mail based system is really, really bad. But
> if it is on github, I think it should have a neutral name not a
> person's name and allow multiple people to merge in pulls.
>
> Unless of course, Eric wants to take 100% control of this whole thing.
>
Really not clear what point you are trying to make here, other than you
may not like how things are, but at some point, someone needs to merge
patches somewhere, in a repository that's convenient, only to have them
pulled by whoever is next up in the food chain. Where the code is really
does not matter much because: git is distributed, patches can be
collected from mailing-list archives.
--
Florian
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Update for the current location of the bcm2835 tree.
2017-01-31 20:55 ` Florian Fainelli
@ 2017-01-31 21:10 ` Michael Zoran
-1 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Michael Zoran @ 2017-01-31 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-arm-kernel
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 12:55 -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> On 01/31/2017 12:32 PM, Michael Zoran wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Anholt wrote:
> > > I've been maintaining the bcm2835 branches here for a year or so.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> > > ---
> > > ?MAINTAINERS | 2 +-
> > > ?1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > > index 844835563ef8..64b281a7ff09 100644
> > > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > > @@ -2624,7 +2624,7 @@ M: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
> > > ?M: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> > > ?L: linux-rpi-kernel at lists.infradead.org (moderated for
> > > non-
> > > subscribers)
> > > ?L: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org (moderated for
> > > non-
> > > subscribers)
> > > -T: git
> > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rpi/linux-rpi.git
> > > +T: git git://github.com/anholt/linux
> > > ?S: Maintained
> > > ?N: bcm283[5-7x]
> > > ?F: drivers/staging/vc04_services
> >
> > Just to add two cents here, since this is sort of a open source
> > community driven thing, I think there should be multiple
> > maintainers in
> > case of a disagreement.??2 is good, 3 is better so that it's
> > impossible
> > to have a split disagreement and the third person can break the
> > tie.
>
> You may want to look at the file, and not the diff, which is already
> listing 3 people.
>
I know the file still has 3 people. Eric was just asking in another e-
mail about changing the maintainers.
> >
> > Github is cool as the e-mail based system is really, really
> > bad.??But
> > if it is on github, I think it should have a neutral name not a
> > person's name and allow multiple people to merge in pulls.
> >
> > Unless of course, Eric wants to take 100% control of this whole
> > thing.
> >
>
> Really not clear what point you are trying to make here, other than
> you
> may not like how things are, but at some point, someone needs to
> merge
> patches somewhere, in a repository that's convenient, only to have
> them
> pulled by whoever is next up in the food chain. Where the code is
> really
> does not matter much because: git is distributed, patches can be
> collected from mailing-list archives.
I'm not 100% sure myself what the point is myself actually.:)
But there is also no reason some inclined person couldn't flip things
around and make the linux root a topic branch in itself and merge it
into their own "version" of the kernel. Then try to get the various
linux distributions to include that kernel as on option.
That is what was essentially done with the Raspberry PI kernel to begin
with. I'm not saying that's a better system or that I personally would
attempt to do that, just it's a is the picture right side up or upside
down thing. It's arbitrary and just a matter of perspective.
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* Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Update for the current location of the bcm2835 tree.
@ 2017-01-31 21:10 ` Michael Zoran
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Michael Zoran @ 2017-01-31 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Florian Fainelli, Eric Anholt
Cc: Lee Jones, linux-kernel, bcm-kernel-feedback-list,
linux-rpi-kernel, linux-arm-kernel
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 12:55 -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> On 01/31/2017 12:32 PM, Michael Zoran wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Anholt wrote:
> > > I've been maintaining the bcm2835 branches here for a year or so.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> > > ---
> > > MAINTAINERS | 2 +-
> > > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > > index 844835563ef8..64b281a7ff09 100644
> > > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > > @@ -2624,7 +2624,7 @@ M: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
> > > M: Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>
> > > L: linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for
> > > non-
> > > subscribers)
> > > L: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org (moderated for
> > > non-
> > > subscribers)
> > > -T: git
> > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rpi/linux-rpi.git
> > > +T: git git://github.com/anholt/linux
> > > S: Maintained
> > > N: bcm283[5-7x]
> > > F: drivers/staging/vc04_services
> >
> > Just to add two cents here, since this is sort of a open source
> > community driven thing, I think there should be multiple
> > maintainers in
> > case of a disagreement. 2 is good, 3 is better so that it's
> > impossible
> > to have a split disagreement and the third person can break the
> > tie.
>
> You may want to look at the file, and not the diff, which is already
> listing 3 people.
>
I know the file still has 3 people. Eric was just asking in another e-
mail about changing the maintainers.
> >
> > Github is cool as the e-mail based system is really, really
> > bad. But
> > if it is on github, I think it should have a neutral name not a
> > person's name and allow multiple people to merge in pulls.
> >
> > Unless of course, Eric wants to take 100% control of this whole
> > thing.
> >
>
> Really not clear what point you are trying to make here, other than
> you
> may not like how things are, but at some point, someone needs to
> merge
> patches somewhere, in a repository that's convenient, only to have
> them
> pulled by whoever is next up in the food chain. Where the code is
> really
> does not matter much because: git is distributed, patches can be
> collected from mailing-list archives.
I'm not 100% sure myself what the point is myself actually.:)
But there is also no reason some inclined person couldn't flip things
around and make the linux root a topic branch in itself and merge it
into their own "version" of the kernel. Then try to get the various
linux distributions to include that kernel as on option.
That is what was essentially done with the Raspberry PI kernel to begin
with. I'm not saying that's a better system or that I personally would
attempt to do that, just it's a is the picture right side up or upside
down thing. It's arbitrary and just a matter of perspective.
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