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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>, KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kwolf@redhat.com, Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: KVM "fake DAX" device flushing
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:35:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1494538554.20270.33.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4irL+imcaWBtHox9oUatndpRw-3xfxtTcn1NV58iph+og@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, 2017-05-11 at 12:15 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.co
> m> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 09:26:00PM +0530, Pankaj Gupta wrote:
> > > We are sharing initial project proposal for
> > > 'KVM "fake DAX" device flushing' project for feedback.
> > > Got the idea during discussion with 'Rik van Riel'.
> > 
> > CCing NVDIMM folks.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Also, request answers to 'Questions' section.
> > > 
> > > Abstract :
> > > ----------
> > > Project idea is to use fake persistent memory with direct
> > > access(DAX) in virtual machines. Overall goal of project
> > > is to increase the number of virtual machines that can be
> > > run on a physical machine, in order to increase the density
> > > of customer virtual machines.
> > > 
> > > The idea is to avoid the guest page cache, and minimize the
> > > memory footprint of virtual machines. By presenting a disk
> > > image as a nvdimm direct access (DAX) memory region in a
> > > virtual machine, the guest OS can avoid using page cache
> > > memory for most file accesses.
> 
> How is this different than the solution that Clear Containers came up
> with?
> 
> https://lwn.net/Articles/644675/

Clear Containers uses MAP_PRIVATE with read-only
images.

This solution is about making read-write images
work.  When a program in the guest calls fsync,
we need to ensure the data has actually hit the
disk on the host side before fsync returns.

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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>, KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kwolf@redhat.com, Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM "fake DAX" device flushing
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:35:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1494538554.20270.33.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4irL+imcaWBtHox9oUatndpRw-3xfxtTcn1NV58iph+og@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, 2017-05-11 at 12:15 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.co
> m> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 09:26:00PM +0530, Pankaj Gupta wrote:
> > > We are sharing initial project proposal for
> > > 'KVM "fake DAX" device flushing' project for feedback.
> > > Got the idea during discussion with 'Rik van Riel'.
> > 
> > CCing NVDIMM folks.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Also, request answers to 'Questions' section.
> > > 
> > > Abstract :
> > > ----------
> > > Project idea is to use fake persistent memory with direct
> > > access(DAX) in virtual machines. Overall goal of project
> > > is to increase the number of virtual machines that can be
> > > run on a physical machine, in order to increase the density
> > > of customer virtual machines.
> > > 
> > > The idea is to avoid the guest page cache, and minimize the
> > > memory footprint of virtual machines. By presenting a disk
> > > image as a nvdimm direct access (DAX) memory region in a
> > > virtual machine, the guest OS can avoid using page cache
> > > memory for most file accesses.
> 
> How is this different than the solution that Clear Containers came up
> with?
> 
> https://lwn.net/Articles/644675/

Clear Containers uses MAP_PRIVATE with read-only
images.

This solution is about making read-write images
work.  When a program in the guest calls fsync,
we need to ensure the data has actually hit the
disk on the host side before fsync returns.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-11 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-10 15:56 KVM "fake DAX" device flushing Pankaj Gupta
2017-05-10 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-05-11 18:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-05-11 18:17   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-05-11 19:15   ` Dan Williams
2017-05-11 19:15     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-05-11 21:35     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2017-05-11 21:35       ` Rik van Riel
2017-05-11 21:38   ` Rik van Riel
2017-05-11 21:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-05-12 13:42     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-05-12 13:42       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-05-12 16:53       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-05-12 16:53         ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2017-05-15  9:12         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-05-12  6:56   ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-05-11 22:06 ` Dan Williams
2017-05-11 22:06   ` Dan Williams

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