From: James Bottomley <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
Cc: Tudor Ambarus <tudor.ambarus@microchip.com>,
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Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] in-kernel user of ecdsa
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 21:55:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1520891735.4522.45.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31045526.HZb3ddfbbg@tauon.chronox.de>
On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 20:56 +0100, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 19:09:18 CET schrieb James Bottomley:
>
> Hi James,
>
> >
> > On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 19:07 +0200, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Would you consider using ECDSA in the kernel module signing
> > > facility? When compared with RSA, ECDSA has shorter keys, the key
> > > generation process is faster, the sign operation is faster, but
> > > the verify operation is slower than with RSA.
> >
> > You missed the keyrings list, which is where the module signing
> > utility is discussed.
> >
> > First question is, have you actually tried? It looks like sign-
> > file doesn't do anything RSA specific so if you give it an EC X.509
> > certificate it will produce an ECDSA signature.
> >
> > I think our kernel internal x509 parsers don't have the EC OIDs, so
> > signature verification will fail; but, especially since we have the
> > rest of the EC machinery in the crypto subsystem, that looks to be
> > simply fixable.
>
> ECDSA is not implemented currently in the kernel crypto API.
an ECDSA signature is produced as a ECDH operation using the DSA
algorithm instead of KDFe, so it's trivial with what we have; signature
verification involves a separate point addition but we have all the
primitives for this in crypto/ecc.c so adding it isn't really
difficult, is it?
James
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From: James Bottomley <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
Cc: Tudor Ambarus <tudor.ambarus@microchip.com>,
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Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] in-kernel user of ecdsa
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:55:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1520891735.4522.45.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31045526.HZb3ddfbbg@tauon.chronox.de>
On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 20:56 +0100, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 19:09:18 CET schrieb James Bottomley:
>
> Hi James,
>
> >
> > On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 19:07 +0200, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Would you consider using ECDSA in the kernel module signing
> > > facility? When compared with RSA, ECDSA has shorter keys, the key
> > > generation process is faster, the sign operation is faster, but
> > > the verify operation is slower than with RSA.
> >
> > You missed the keyrings list, which is where the module signing
> > utility is discussed.
> >
> > First question is, have you actually tried? It looks like sign-
> > file doesn't do anything RSA specific so if you give it an EC X.509
> > certificate it will produce an ECDSA signature.
> >
> > I think our kernel internal x509 parsers don't have the EC OIDs, so
> > signature verification will fail; but, especially since we have the
> > rest of the EC machinery in the crypto subsystem, that looks to be
> > simply fixable.
>
> ECDSA is not implemented currently in the kernel crypto API.
an ECDSA signature is produced as a ECDH operation using the DSA
algorithm instead of KDFe, so it's trivial with what we have; signature
verification involves a separate point addition but we have all the
primitives for this in crypto/ecc.c so adding it isn't really
difficult, is it?
James
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Subject: Re: in-kernel user of ecdsa
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:55:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1520891735.4522.45.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31045526.HZb3ddfbbg-b2PLbiJbNv8ftSvlWXw0+g@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 20:56 +0100, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 19:09:18 CET schrieb James Bottomley:
>
> Hi James,
>
> >
> > On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 19:07 +0200, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Would you consider using ECDSA in the kernel module signing
> > > facility? When compared with RSA, ECDSA has shorter keys, the key
> > > generation process is faster, the sign operation is faster, but
> > > the verify operation is slower than with RSA.
> >
> > You missed the keyrings list, which is where the module signing
> > utility is discussed.
> >
> > First question is, have you actually tried? It looks like sign-
> > file doesn't do anything RSA specific so if you give it an EC X.509
> > certificate it will produce an ECDSA signature.
> >
> > I think our kernel internal x509 parsers don't have the EC OIDs, so
> > signature verification will fail; but, especially since we have the
> > rest of the EC machinery in the crypto subsystem, that looks to be
> > simply fixable.
>
> ECDSA is not implemented currently in the kernel crypto API.
an ECDSA signature is produced as a ECDH operation using the DSA
algorithm instead of KDFe, so it's trivial with what we have; signature
verification involves a separate point addition but we have all the
primitives for this in crypto/ecc.c so adding it isn't really
difficult, is it?
James
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From: jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com (James Bottomley)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [tpmdd-devel] in-kernel user of ecdsa
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:55:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1520891735.4522.45.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31045526.HZb3ddfbbg@tauon.chronox.de>
On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 20:56 +0100, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. M?rz 2018, 19:09:18 CET schrieb James Bottomley:
>
> Hi James,
>
> >
> > On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 19:07 +0200, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Would you consider using ECDSA in the kernel module signing
> > > facility? When compared with RSA, ECDSA has shorter keys, the key
> > > generation process is faster, the sign operation is faster, but
> > > the verify operation is slower than with RSA.
> >
> > You missed the keyrings list, which is where the module signing
> > utility is discussed.
> >
> > First question is, have you actually tried???It looks like sign-
> > file doesn't do anything RSA specific so if you give it an EC X.509
> > certificate it will produce an ECDSA signature.
> >
> > I think our kernel internal x509 parsers don't have the EC OIDs, so
> > signature verification will fail; but, especially since we have the
> > rest of the EC machinery in the crypto subsystem, that looks to be
> > simply fixable.
>
> ECDSA is not implemented currently in the kernel crypto API.
an ECDSA signature is produced as a ECDH operation using the DSA
algorithm instead of KDFe, so it's trivial with what we have; signature
verification involves a separate point addition but we have all the
primitives for this in crypto/ecc.c so adding it isn't really
difficult, is it?
James
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Subject: Re: in-kernel user of ecdsa
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:55:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1520891735.4522.45.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31045526.HZb3ddfbbg-b2PLbiJbNv8ftSvlWXw0+g@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 20:56 +0100, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 19:09:18 CET schrieb James Bottomley:
>
> Hi James,
>
> >
> > On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 19:07 +0200, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Would you consider using ECDSA in the kernel module signing
> > > facility? When compared with RSA, ECDSA has shorter keys, the key
> > > generation process is faster, the sign operation is faster, but
> > > the verify operation is slower than with RSA.
> >
> > You missed the keyrings list, which is where the module signing
> > utility is discussed.
> >
> > First question is, have you actually tried? It looks like sign-
> > file doesn't do anything RSA specific so if you give it an EC X.509
> > certificate it will produce an ECDSA signature.
> >
> > I think our kernel internal x509 parsers don't have the EC OIDs, so
> > signature verification will fail; but, especially since we have the
> > rest of the EC machinery in the crypto subsystem, that looks to be
> > simply fixable.
>
> ECDSA is not implemented currently in the kernel crypto API.
an ECDSA signature is produced as a ECDH operation using the DSA
algorithm instead of KDFe, so it's trivial with what we have; signature
verification involves a separate point addition but we have all the
primitives for this in crypto/ecc.c so adding it isn't really
difficult, is it?
James
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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-03-12 17:07 in-kernel user of ecdsa Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-12 17:07 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-12 17:07 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-12 17:07 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-12 17:07 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-12 18:09 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-03-12 18:09 ` James Bottomley
2018-03-12 18:09 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-03-12 18:09 ` James Bottomley
2018-03-12 18:09 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-03-12 19:56 ` Stephan Mueller
2018-03-12 19:56 ` Stephan Mueller
2018-03-12 19:56 ` Stephan Mueller
2018-03-12 21:55 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2018-03-12 21:55 ` James Bottomley
2018-03-12 21:55 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-03-12 21:55 ` James Bottomley
2018-03-12 21:55 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-03-12 21:57 ` Stephan Mueller
2018-03-12 21:57 ` Stephan Mueller
2018-03-12 21:57 ` Stephan Mueller
2018-03-26 14:59 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-26 14:59 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-26 14:59 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-26 14:59 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-26 14:59 ` Tudor Ambarus
2018-03-26 14:59 ` Tudor Ambarus
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