From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
To: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>
Cc: Eric Richter <erichte@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linux-integrity <linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Justin Forbes <jforbes@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] ima: add support for KEXEC_ORIG_KERNEL_CHECK
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 15:47:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1533325650.4337.527.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180803161636.GX3001@ubuntu-xps13>
On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 11:16 -0500, Seth Forshee wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 10:54:59AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 08:11 -0500, Seth Forshee wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 06:31:59PM -0500, Eric Richter wrote:
> > > > IMA can verify the signature of kernel images loaded with kexec_file_load,
> > > > but can not verify images loaded with the regular kexec_load syscall.
> > > > Therefore, the appraisal will automatically fail during kexec_load when an
> > > > appraise policy rule is set for func=KEXEC_KERNEL_CHECK. This can be used
> > > > to effectively disable the kexec_load syscall, while still allowing the
> > > > kexec_file_load to operate so long as the target kernel image is signed.
> > > >
> > > > However, this conflicts with CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG. If that option is
> > > > enabled and there is an appraise rule set, then the target kernel would
> > > > have to be verifiable by both IMA and the architecture specific kernel
> > > > verification procedure.
> > > >
> > > > This patch adds a new func= for IMA appraisal specifically for the original
> > > > kexec_load syscall. Therefore, the kexec_load syscall can be effectively
> > > > disabled via IMA policy, leaving the kexec_file_load syscall able to do its
> > > > own signature verification, and not require it to be signed via IMA. To
> > > > retain compatibility, the existing func=KEXEC_KERNEL_CHECK flag is
> > > > unchanged, and thus enables appraisal for both kexec syscalls.
> > >
> > > This seems like a roundabout way to disallow the kexec_load syscall.
> > > Wouldn't it make more sense to simply disallow kexec_load any time
> > > CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG is enabled, since it effectively renders that
> > > option impotent? Or has that idea already been rejected?
> >
> > Agreed! We can modify the "case LOADING_KEXEC_IMAGE" in
> > ima_load_data() to prevent the kexec_load based on
> > CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG.
> >
> > The architecture specific policy would only include the IMA appraise
> > rule if CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG was not defined.
>
> After looking at this some more I'm having second thoughts about my
> suggestion. As a distro we produce a kernel that needs to be flexible
> enough for a variety of scenarios, and if we completely close off the
> ability to load an unsigned kernel for kexec that's almost certainly
> going to end up breaking some use cases.
>
> So I think it is necessary to make this a run-time decision rather than
> a compile-time decision. The patch as provided does this based on
> whether or not the kernel was booted under secure boot. That might be
> reasonable, though I still find this mechanism kind of awkward.
Right, the above change is almost right. Instead of preventing the
kexec_load syscall based on CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG it should be based
on a runtime secure boot flag. Only if there is an arch specific
secure boot function and the secure boot flag is enabled, would the
kexec_load be disabled.
Without an architecture specific secure boot function, the existing
IMA code would fail the kexec_load syscall.
> It seems
> like ideally there would instead be some logic that would accept the
> image if the KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG verification had passed, and otherwise
> require IMA signature verification.
True, but for now to coordinate between the two signature verification
methods, only if CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG is not enabled would an IMA
architecture specific rule be defined.
Mimi
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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
To: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>
Cc: Eric Richter <erichte@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linux-integrity <linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Justin Forbes <jforbes@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] ima: add support for KEXEC_ORIG_KERNEL_CHECK
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 15:47:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1533325650.4337.527.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180803161636.GX3001@ubuntu-xps13>
On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 11:16 -0500, Seth Forshee wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 10:54:59AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 08:11 -0500, Seth Forshee wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 06:31:59PM -0500, Eric Richter wrote:
> > > > IMA can verify the signature of kernel images loaded with kexec_file_load,
> > > > but can not verify images loaded with the regular kexec_load syscall.
> > > > Therefore, the appraisal will automatically fail during kexec_load when an
> > > > appraise policy rule is set for func=KEXEC_KERNEL_CHECK. This can be used
> > > > to effectively disable the kexec_load syscall, while still allowing the
> > > > kexec_file_load to operate so long as the target kernel image is signed.
> > > >
> > > > However, this conflicts with CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG. If that option is
> > > > enabled and there is an appraise rule set, then the target kernel would
> > > > have to be verifiable by both IMA and the architecture specific kernel
> > > > verification procedure.
> > > >
> > > > This patch adds a new func= for IMA appraisal specifically for the original
> > > > kexec_load syscall. Therefore, the kexec_load syscall can be effectively
> > > > disabled via IMA policy, leaving the kexec_file_load syscall able to do its
> > > > own signature verification, and not require it to be signed via IMA. To
> > > > retain compatibility, the existing func=KEXEC_KERNEL_CHECK flag is
> > > > unchanged, and thus enables appraisal for both kexec syscalls.
> > >
> > > This seems like a roundabout way to disallow the kexec_load syscall.
> > > Wouldn't it make more sense to simply disallow kexec_load any time
> > > CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG is enabled, since it effectively renders that
> > > option impotent? Or has that idea already been rejected?
> >
> > Agreed! We can modify the "case LOADING_KEXEC_IMAGE" in
> > ima_load_data() to prevent the kexec_load based on
> > CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG.
> >
> > The architecture specific policy would only include the IMA appraise
> > rule if CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG was not defined.
>
> After looking at this some more I'm having second thoughts about my
> suggestion. As a distro we produce a kernel that needs to be flexible
> enough for a variety of scenarios, and if we completely close off the
> ability to load an unsigned kernel for kexec that's almost certainly
> going to end up breaking some use cases.
>
> So I think it is necessary to make this a run-time decision rather than
> a compile-time decision. The patch as provided does this based on
> whether or not the kernel was booted under secure boot. That might be
> reasonable, though I still find this mechanism kind of awkward.
Right, the above change is almost right. Instead of preventing the
kexec_load syscall based on CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG it should be based
on a runtime secure boot flag. Only if there is an arch specific
secure boot function and the secure boot flag is enabled, would the
kexec_load be disabled.
Without an architecture specific secure boot function, the existing
IMA code would fail the kexec_load syscall.
> It seems
> like ideally there would instead be some logic that would accept the
> image if the KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG verification had passed, and otherwise
> require IMA signature verification.
True, but for now to coordinate between the two signature verification
methods, only if CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG is not enabled would an IMA
architecture specific rule be defined.
Mimi
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: zohar@linux.ibm.com (Mimi Zohar)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH 3/4] ima: add support for KEXEC_ORIG_KERNEL_CHECK
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 15:47:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1533325650.4337.527.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180803161636.GX3001@ubuntu-xps13>
On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 11:16 -0500, Seth Forshee wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 10:54:59AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 08:11 -0500, Seth Forshee wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 06:31:59PM -0500, Eric Richter wrote:
> > > > IMA can verify the signature of kernel images loaded with kexec_file_load,
> > > > but can not verify images loaded with the regular kexec_load syscall.
> > > > Therefore, the appraisal will automatically fail during kexec_load when an
> > > > appraise policy rule is set for func=KEXEC_KERNEL_CHECK. This can be used
> > > > to effectively disable the kexec_load syscall, while still allowing the
> > > > kexec_file_load to operate so long as the target kernel image is signed.
> > > >
> > > > However, this conflicts with CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG. If that option is
> > > > enabled and there is an appraise rule set, then the target kernel would
> > > > have to be verifiable by both IMA and the architecture specific kernel
> > > > verification procedure.
> > > >
> > > > This patch adds a new func= for IMA appraisal specifically for the original
> > > > kexec_load syscall. Therefore, the kexec_load syscall can be effectively
> > > > disabled via IMA policy, leaving the kexec_file_load syscall able to do its
> > > > own signature verification, and not require it to be signed via IMA. To
> > > > retain compatibility, the existing func=KEXEC_KERNEL_CHECK flag is
> > > > unchanged, and thus enables appraisal for both kexec syscalls.
> > >
> > > This seems like a roundabout way to disallow the kexec_load syscall.
> > > Wouldn't it make more sense to simply disallow kexec_load any time
> > > CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG is enabled, since it effectively renders that
> > > option impotent? Or has that idea already been rejected?
> >
> > Agreed! ?We can modify the "case LOADING_KEXEC_IMAGE" in
> > ima_load_data() to prevent the kexec_load based on
> > CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG.
> >
> > The architecture specific policy would only include the IMA appraise
> > rule if CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG was not defined.
>
> After looking at this some more I'm having second thoughts about my
> suggestion. As a distro we produce a kernel that needs to be flexible
> enough for a variety of scenarios, and if we completely close off the
> ability to load an unsigned kernel for kexec that's almost certainly
> going to end up breaking some use cases.
>
> So I think it is necessary to make this a run-time decision rather than
> a compile-time decision. The patch as provided does this based on
> whether or not the kernel was booted under secure boot. That might be
> reasonable, though I still find this mechanism kind of awkward.
Right, the above change is almost right. ?Instead of preventing the
kexec_load syscall based on CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG it should be based
on a runtime secure boot flag. ?Only if there is an arch specific
secure boot function and the secure boot flag is enabled, would the
kexec_load be disabled.
Without an architecture specific secure boot function, the existing
IMA code would fail the kexec_load syscall.
> It seems
> like ideally there would instead be some logic that would accept the
> image if the KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG verification had passed, and otherwise
> require IMA signature verification.
True, but for now to coordinate between the two signature verification
methods, only if CONFIG_KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG is not enabled would an IMA
architecture specific rule be defined.
Mimi
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-03 19:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-25 23:31 [PATCH 0/4] Add support for architecture-specific IMA policies Eric Richter
2018-07-25 23:31 ` Eric Richter
2018-07-25 23:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] ima: add support for arch specific policies Eric Richter
2018-07-25 23:31 ` Eric Richter
2018-07-28 2:24 ` kbuild test robot
2018-07-28 2:24 ` kbuild test robot
2018-08-03 10:08 ` Nayna Jain
2018-08-03 10:08 ` Nayna Jain
2018-08-03 10:08 ` Nayna Jain
2018-07-28 2:24 ` [RFC PATCH] ima: arch_policy_rules can be static kbuild test robot
2018-07-28 2:24 ` kbuild test robot
2018-07-25 23:31 ` [PATCH 2/4] ima: add support for external setting of ima_appraise Eric Richter
2018-07-25 23:31 ` Eric Richter
2018-07-25 23:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] ima: add support for KEXEC_ORIG_KERNEL_CHECK Eric Richter
2018-07-25 23:31 ` Eric Richter
2018-08-03 13:11 ` Seth Forshee
2018-08-03 13:11 ` Seth Forshee
2018-08-03 14:54 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-08-03 14:54 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-08-03 14:54 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-08-03 16:16 ` Seth Forshee
2018-08-03 16:16 ` Seth Forshee
2018-08-03 16:16 ` Seth Forshee
2018-08-03 19:47 ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2018-08-03 19:47 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-08-03 19:47 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-07-25 23:32 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86/ima: define arch_get_ima_policy() for x86 Eric Richter
2018-07-25 23:32 ` Eric Richter
2018-07-28 12:22 ` kbuild test robot
2018-07-28 12:22 ` kbuild test robot
2018-07-28 12:22 ` kbuild test robot
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