From: Walter Wu <walter-zh.wu@mediatek.com>
To: Qian Cai <cai@lca.pw>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
wsd_upstream <wsd_upstream@mediatek.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] kasan: add workqueue and timer stack for generic KASAN
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 19:50:57 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1597060257.13160.11.camel@mtksdccf07> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B873B364-FF03-4819-8F9C-79F3C4EF47CE@lca.pw>
On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 07:19 -0400, Qian Cai wrote:
>
> > On Aug 10, 2020, at 3:21 AM, Walter Wu <walter-zh.wu@mediatek.com> wrote:
> >
> > Syzbot reports many UAF issues for workqueue or timer, see [1] and [2].
> > In some of these access/allocation happened in process_one_work(),
> > we see the free stack is useless in KASAN report, it doesn't help
> > programmers to solve UAF on workqueue. The same may stand for times.
> >
> > This patchset improves KASAN reports by making them to have workqueue
> > queueing stack and timer queueing stack information. It is useful for
> > programmers to solve use-after-free or double-free memory issue.
> >
> > Generic KASAN will record the last two workqueue and timer stacks,
> > print them in KASAN report. It is only suitable for generic KASAN.
> >
> > In order to print the last two workqueue and timer stacks, so that
> > we add new members in struct kasan_alloc_meta.
> > - two workqueue queueing work stacks, total size is 8 bytes.
> > - two timer queueing stacks, total size is 8 bytes.
> >
> > Orignial struct kasan_alloc_meta size is 16 bytes. After add new
> > members, then the struct kasan_alloc_meta total size is 32 bytes,
> > It is a good number of alignment. Let it get better memory consumption.
>
> Getting debugging tools complicated surely is the best way to kill it. I would argue that it only make sense to complicate it if it is useful most of the time which I never feel or hear that is the case. This reminds me your recent call_rcu() stacks that most of time just makes parsing the report cumbersome. Thus, I urge this exercise to over-engineer on special cases need to stop entirely.
>
A good debug tool is to have complete information in order to solve
issue. We should focus on if KASAN reports always show this debug
information or create a option to decide if show it. Because this
feature is Dimitry's suggestion. see [1]. So I think it need to be
implemented. Maybe we can wait his response.
[1]https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/6/23/256
Thanks.
> >
> > [1]https://groups.google.com/g/syzkaller-bugs/search?q=%22use-after-free%22+process_one_work
> > [2]https://groups.google.com/g/syzkaller-bugs/search?q=%22use-after-free%22%20expire_timers
> > [3]https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198437
> >
> > Walter Wu (5):
> > timer: kasan: record and print timer stack
> > workqueue: kasan: record and print workqueue stack
> > lib/test_kasan.c: add timer test case
> > lib/test_kasan.c: add workqueue test case
> > kasan: update documentation for generic kasan
> >
> > Documentation/dev-tools/kasan.rst | 4 ++--
> > include/linux/kasan.h | 4 ++++
> > kernel/time/timer.c | 2 ++
> > kernel/workqueue.c | 3 +++
> > lib/test_kasan.c | 54 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > mm/kasan/generic.c | 42 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > mm/kasan/kasan.h | 6 +++++-
> > mm/kasan/report.c | 22 ++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 8 files changed, 134 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >
> > --
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From: Walter Wu <walter-zh.wu@mediatek.com>
To: Qian Cai <cai@lca.pw>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
wsd_upstream <wsd_upstream@mediatek.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] kasan: add workqueue and timer stack for generic KASAN
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 19:50:57 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1597060257.13160.11.camel@mtksdccf07> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B873B364-FF03-4819-8F9C-79F3C4EF47CE@lca.pw>
On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 07:19 -0400, Qian Cai wrote:
>
> > On Aug 10, 2020, at 3:21 AM, Walter Wu <walter-zh.wu@mediatek.com> wrote:
> >
> > Syzbot reports many UAF issues for workqueue or timer, see [1] and [2].
> > In some of these access/allocation happened in process_one_work(),
> > we see the free stack is useless in KASAN report, it doesn't help
> > programmers to solve UAF on workqueue. The same may stand for times.
> >
> > This patchset improves KASAN reports by making them to have workqueue
> > queueing stack and timer queueing stack information. It is useful for
> > programmers to solve use-after-free or double-free memory issue.
> >
> > Generic KASAN will record the last two workqueue and timer stacks,
> > print them in KASAN report. It is only suitable for generic KASAN.
> >
> > In order to print the last two workqueue and timer stacks, so that
> > we add new members in struct kasan_alloc_meta.
> > - two workqueue queueing work stacks, total size is 8 bytes.
> > - two timer queueing stacks, total size is 8 bytes.
> >
> > Orignial struct kasan_alloc_meta size is 16 bytes. After add new
> > members, then the struct kasan_alloc_meta total size is 32 bytes,
> > It is a good number of alignment. Let it get better memory consumption.
>
> Getting debugging tools complicated surely is the best way to kill it. I would argue that it only make sense to complicate it if it is useful most of the time which I never feel or hear that is the case. This reminds me your recent call_rcu() stacks that most of time just makes parsing the report cumbersome. Thus, I urge this exercise to over-engineer on special cases need to stop entirely.
>
A good debug tool is to have complete information in order to solve
issue. We should focus on if KASAN reports always show this debug
information or create a option to decide if show it. Because this
feature is Dimitry's suggestion. see [1]. So I think it need to be
implemented. Maybe we can wait his response.
[1]https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/6/23/256
Thanks.
> >
> > [1]https://groups.google.com/g/syzkaller-bugs/search?q=%22use-after-free%22+process_one_work
> > [2]https://groups.google.com/g/syzkaller-bugs/search?q=%22use-after-free%22%20expire_timers
> > [3]https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198437
> >
> > Walter Wu (5):
> > timer: kasan: record and print timer stack
> > workqueue: kasan: record and print workqueue stack
> > lib/test_kasan.c: add timer test case
> > lib/test_kasan.c: add workqueue test case
> > kasan: update documentation for generic kasan
> >
> > Documentation/dev-tools/kasan.rst | 4 ++--
> > include/linux/kasan.h | 4 ++++
> > kernel/time/timer.c | 2 ++
> > kernel/workqueue.c | 3 +++
> > lib/test_kasan.c | 54 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > mm/kasan/generic.c | 42 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > mm/kasan/kasan.h | 6 +++++-
> > mm/kasan/report.c | 22 ++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 8 files changed, 134 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "kasan-dev" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to kasan-dev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/kasan-dev/20200810072115.429-1-walter-zh.wu%40mediatek.com.
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From: Walter Wu <walter-zh.wu@mediatek.com>
To: Qian Cai <cai@lca.pw>
Cc: Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
"Stephen Boyd" <sboyd@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
<kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
wsd_upstream <wsd_upstream@mediatek.com>,
<linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] kasan: add workqueue and timer stack for generic KASAN
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 19:50:57 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1597060257.13160.11.camel@mtksdccf07> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B873B364-FF03-4819-8F9C-79F3C4EF47CE@lca.pw>
On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 07:19 -0400, Qian Cai wrote:
>
> > On Aug 10, 2020, at 3:21 AM, Walter Wu <walter-zh.wu@mediatek.com> wrote:
> >
> > Syzbot reports many UAF issues for workqueue or timer, see [1] and [2].
> > In some of these access/allocation happened in process_one_work(),
> > we see the free stack is useless in KASAN report, it doesn't help
> > programmers to solve UAF on workqueue. The same may stand for times.
> >
> > This patchset improves KASAN reports by making them to have workqueue
> > queueing stack and timer queueing stack information. It is useful for
> > programmers to solve use-after-free or double-free memory issue.
> >
> > Generic KASAN will record the last two workqueue and timer stacks,
> > print them in KASAN report. It is only suitable for generic KASAN.
> >
> > In order to print the last two workqueue and timer stacks, so that
> > we add new members in struct kasan_alloc_meta.
> > - two workqueue queueing work stacks, total size is 8 bytes.
> > - two timer queueing stacks, total size is 8 bytes.
> >
> > Orignial struct kasan_alloc_meta size is 16 bytes. After add new
> > members, then the struct kasan_alloc_meta total size is 32 bytes,
> > It is a good number of alignment. Let it get better memory consumption.
>
> Getting debugging tools complicated surely is the best way to kill it. I would argue that it only make sense to complicate it if it is useful most of the time which I never feel or hear that is the case. This reminds me your recent call_rcu() stacks that most of time just makes parsing the report cumbersome. Thus, I urge this exercise to over-engineer on special cases need to stop entirely.
>
A good debug tool is to have complete information in order to solve
issue. We should focus on if KASAN reports always show this debug
information or create a option to decide if show it. Because this
feature is Dimitry's suggestion. see [1]. So I think it need to be
implemented. Maybe we can wait his response.
[1]https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/6/23/256
Thanks.
> >
> > [1]https://groups.google.com/g/syzkaller-bugs/search?q=%22use-after-free%22+process_one_work
> > [2]https://groups.google.com/g/syzkaller-bugs/search?q=%22use-after-free%22%20expire_timers
> > [3]https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198437
> >
> > Walter Wu (5):
> > timer: kasan: record and print timer stack
> > workqueue: kasan: record and print workqueue stack
> > lib/test_kasan.c: add timer test case
> > lib/test_kasan.c: add workqueue test case
> > kasan: update documentation for generic kasan
> >
> > Documentation/dev-tools/kasan.rst | 4 ++--
> > include/linux/kasan.h | 4 ++++
> > kernel/time/timer.c | 2 ++
> > kernel/workqueue.c | 3 +++
> > lib/test_kasan.c | 54 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > mm/kasan/generic.c | 42 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > mm/kasan/kasan.h | 6 +++++-
> > mm/kasan/report.c | 22 ++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 8 files changed, 134 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "kasan-dev" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to kasan-dev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/kasan-dev/20200810072115.429-1-walter-zh.wu%40mediatek.com.
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2020-08-10 7:21 [PATCH 0/5] kasan: add workqueue and timer stack for generic KASAN Walter Wu
2020-08-10 7:21 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 7:21 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 11:19 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 11:19 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 11:19 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 11:50 ` Walter Wu [this message]
2020-08-10 11:50 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 11:50 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 12:12 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 12:12 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 12:12 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 12:44 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 12:44 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 12:44 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 14:31 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 14:31 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 14:31 ` Walter Wu
2020-08-10 14:51 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 14:51 ` Qian Cai
2020-08-10 14:51 ` Qian Cai
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