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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deaco>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18 1/2] rseq: validate rseq_cs fields are < TASK_SIZE
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:05:44 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1706339668.9644.1530281144560.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzpD5xF80iiFNd+EMkJnRQdKPumM5p24Sr+LeBt8Gg=wg@mail.gmail.com>

----- On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Linus Torvalds torvalds@linux-foundation.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:08 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>> > On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Make it do
>> >
>> >        if (rseq_cs->abort_ip != (unsigned long)rseq_cs->abort_ip)
>> >                return -EINVAL;
>> >
>> > at abort time.
>>
>> You sure?  Because, unless I remember wrong, a 32-bit user program on a 64-bit
>> kernel will actually work at least most of the time even if high bits are set.
> 
> Sure.
> 
> If you run a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit kernel,. you will have access
> to the 0xc0000000 - 0xffffffff area that you wouldn't have had access
> to if it ran on a 32-bit kernel.
> 
> But exactly *because* you have access to that area, those addresses
> are actually valid addresses for the 32-bit case, so they shouldn't be
> considered bad. They can't happen on a native 32-bit kerne, but a
> 32-bit program doesn't even care. If it has user memory mapped in that
> area, it should work.
> 
> And if it *doesn't* have user memory mapped in that area, then it will
> fail when the trying to execute the (non-existent) abort sequence.
> 
> After all, depending on configuration, a native 32-bit kernel might
> limit user space even more (ie some vendors had a 2G:2G split instead
> of the traditional 3G:1G split.
> 
> Was that the case you were thinking of, or was it something else?

What I'm worried about is setting regs->ip of a compat 32-bit task to
addresses in the range 0x100000000-0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18 1/2] rseq: validate rseq_cs fields are < TASK_SIZE
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:05:44 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1706339668.9644.1530281144560.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzpD5xF80iiFNd+EMkJnRQdKPumM5p24Sr+LeBt8Gg=wg@mail.gmail.com>

----- On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Linus Torvalds torvalds@linux-foundation.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:08 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>> > On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Make it do
>> >
>> >        if (rseq_cs->abort_ip != (unsigned long)rseq_cs->abort_ip)
>> >                return -EINVAL;
>> >
>> > at abort time.
>>
>> You sure?  Because, unless I remember wrong, a 32-bit user program on a 64-bit
>> kernel will actually work at least most of the time even if high bits are set.
> 
> Sure.
> 
> If you run a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit kernel,. you will have access
> to the 0xc0000000 - 0xffffffff area that you wouldn't have had access
> to if it ran on a 32-bit kernel.
> 
> But exactly *because* you have access to that area, those addresses
> are actually valid addresses for the 32-bit case, so they shouldn't be
> considered bad. They can't happen on a native 32-bit kerne, but a
> 32-bit program doesn't even care. If it has user memory mapped in that
> area, it should work.
> 
> And if it *doesn't* have user memory mapped in that area, then it will
> fail when the trying to execute the (non-existent) abort sequence.
> 
> After all, depending on configuration, a native 32-bit kernel might
> limit user space even more (ie some vendors had a 2G:2G split instead
> of the traditional 3G:1G split.
> 
> Was that the case you were thinking of, or was it something else?

What I'm worried about is setting regs->ip of a compat 32-bit task to
addresses in the range 0x100000000-0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-29 14:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-28 16:23 [RFC PATCH for 4.18 1/2] rseq: validate rseq_cs fields are < TASK_SIZE Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 16:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 16:23 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.18 2/2] rseq: check that rseq->rseq_cs padding is zero Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 16:23   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 16:53   ` Will Deacon
2018-06-28 16:53     ` Will Deacon
2018-06-28 20:55     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 20:55       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 20:22 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.18 1/2] rseq: validate rseq_cs fields are < TASK_SIZE Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-28 20:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-28 20:56   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 20:56     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 21:22   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-28 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-28 22:29     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 22:29       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-28 23:29     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-28 23:29       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-29  0:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29  0:18         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29  0:54         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29  0:54           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29  1:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-29  1:08           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-29 14:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 14:02             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 14:05             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-06-29 14:05               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29 14:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 14:17                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 15:03                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29 15:03                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                   ` <CA+55aFw==YnFJn7iGnKMW=RbPT74YHNa0QDF96mEdMPA2oX9SA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-06-29 15:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 15:54                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 16:07                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29 16:07                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29 17:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 17:03                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 19:48                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29 19:48                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29 20:39                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-29 20:39                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 14:32                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 14:32                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 16:04                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 16:04                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 17:11                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 17:11                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 19:00                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 19:00                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 19:02                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 19:02                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 19:31                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 19:31                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 20:12                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 20:12                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-02 20:22                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 20:22                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-29 16:07                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-29 16:07                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-29 13:55       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-06-29 13:55         ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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