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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
	rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney"
	<paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Chris Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi-Vw/NltI1exuRpAAqCnN02g@public.gmane.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Hunter <ahh-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:41:49 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1811549980.11849.1456749709589.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3364335.Bqf8sAzlTS@wuerfel>

----- On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:39 AM, Arnd Bergmann arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org wrote:

> On Monday 29 February 2016 11:32:21 Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:39:54AM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> 
>> > /* This structure needs to be aligned cache line size. */
>> > struct thread_local_abi {
>> >   int32_t  cpu_id;
>> >   uint32_t rseq_seqnum;
>> >   uint64_t rseq_post_commit_ip;
>> >   /* Add new fields at the end. */
>> > } __attribute__((packed));
>> 
>> I would really not use packed; that can lead to horrible layout.
>> 
>> Suppose someone would add:
>> 
>> 	uint32_t foo;
>> 	uint64_t bar;
>> 
>> With packed, you get an unaligned uint64_t in there, which is horrible.
>> Without packed, you get a hole, which you can later fill.
> 

Actually, Peter is wrong about the hole there. On some 32-bit architectures,
64-bit integers are aligned on 32-bit, not 64-bit. So there may or may not
be a hole there, and that would lead to a mess.

> What's making things worse is that on some architectures, adding
> __packed will force access by bytes rather than just reading
> a 32-bit or 64-bit numbers directly, so it's slow and non-atomic.

Agreed that many architectures issue slower instructions when reading
from packed structures, which is unwanted.

Could we require that each field be naturally aligned and require that
they are placed so _no_ padding whatsoever should ever be added by the
compiler ? If that's possible, then we could remove the packed.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:41:49 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1811549980.11849.1456749709589.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3364335.Bqf8sAzlTS@wuerfel>

----- On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:39 AM, Arnd Bergmann arnd@arndb.de wrote:

> On Monday 29 February 2016 11:32:21 Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:39:54AM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> 
>> > /* This structure needs to be aligned cache line size. */
>> > struct thread_local_abi {
>> >   int32_t  cpu_id;
>> >   uint32_t rseq_seqnum;
>> >   uint64_t rseq_post_commit_ip;
>> >   /* Add new fields at the end. */
>> > } __attribute__((packed));
>> 
>> I would really not use packed; that can lead to horrible layout.
>> 
>> Suppose someone would add:
>> 
>> 	uint32_t foo;
>> 	uint64_t bar;
>> 
>> With packed, you get an unaligned uint64_t in there, which is horrible.
>> Without packed, you get a hole, which you can later fill.
> 

Actually, Peter is wrong about the hole there. On some 32-bit architectures,
64-bit integers are aligned on 32-bit, not 64-bit. So there may or may not
be a hole there, and that would lead to a mess.

> What's making things worse is that on some architectures, adding
> __packed will force access by bytes rather than just reading
> a 32-bit or 64-bit numbers directly, so it's slow and non-atomic.

Agreed that many architectures issue slower instructions when reading
from packed structures, which is unwanted.

Could we require that each field be naturally aligned and require that
they are placed so _no_ padding whatsoever should ever be added by the
compiler ? If that's possible, then we could remove the packed.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-29 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-23 23:28 [PATCH v4 0/5] getcpu_cache system call for 4.6 Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found] ` <1456270120-7560-1-git-send-email-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-23 23:28   ` [PATCH v4 1/5] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 11:11     ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-24 17:17       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 23:32       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2016-02-25 23:32         ` Rasmus Villemoes
2016-02-26 17:47         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]     ` <1456270120-7560-2-git-send-email-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-25  9:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-25  9:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20160225095635.GO6356-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-25 16:55           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 16:55             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]             ` <390571988.7745.1456419326288.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-25 17:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-25 17:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                 ` <20160225170416.GV6356-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-25 17:17                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 17:17                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                     ` <2135602720.7810.1456420671941.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-26 11:33                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-26 11:33                         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                         ` <20160226113304.GA6356-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-26 16:29                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 16:29                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 17:20                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                               ` <967083634.8940.1456507201156.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-26 18:01                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 18:01                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 20:24                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-26 20:24                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-26 23:04                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                       ` <7096DA23-3908-40DC-A46B-C4CF2252CEE8-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-27  0:40                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-27  0:40                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                           ` <1150363257.9781.1456533630895.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-27  6:24                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27  6:24                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                               ` <56D14132.5050100-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-27 14:15                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-27 14:15                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                   ` <2053850250.10158.1456582501604.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-27 14:58                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-27 14:58                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                       ` <20160227145809.GD6356-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-27 18:35                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-27 18:35                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                           ` <CA+55aFysWipEagSdgeXbLx+Au4vomvyttdNFJtM+HffmBECQiA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-27 19:01                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27 19:01                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-28 13:07                                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-02-28 13:07                                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]                                                               ` <CAMuHMdV2dHsJfchyHBnQEAVEMSQ+1N7X4-iqGZ7K7J=Lf8qs4A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-28 16:21                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-28 16:21                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-29 10:01                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:01                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-27 23:53                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                             ` <CA+55aFwcgwRxvVBz5kk_3O8dESXAGJ4KHBkf=pSXjiS7Xh4NwA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                               ` <1082926946.10326.1456619994590.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>
     [not found]                                                                 ` <1082926946.10326.1456619994590.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-28  0:57                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-28  0:57                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CA+55aFwZY1BR5NdjAP-rytd29hE2EZEXgcaBKjepWFFj+oR1SA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-28 14:32                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-28 14:32                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1538518747.10504.1456669948568.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 10:35                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:35                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20160229103506.GJ6356-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-01 20:23                                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-03-01 20:23                                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <676569856.13488.1456863792603.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-01 21:32                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 21:32                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20160301213202.GY6357-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-01 21:36                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 21:36                                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 21:47                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-02 10:34                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:32                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:32                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20160229103221.GI6356-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 10:39                                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 10:39                                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 12:41                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2016-02-29 12:41                                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                                           ` <1811549980.11849.1456749709589.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-29 13:08                                                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 13:08                                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 18:19                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-29 18:19                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-02 10:44                                                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-03-02 10:44                                                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-03-01 18:25                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-01 18:25                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                                     ` <56D5DEA8.3040908-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-01 18:40                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-03-01 18:40                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-27 15:04                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27 15:04                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24  1:36   ` [PATCH v4 0/5] getcpu_cache system call for 4.6 H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24  1:36     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24  4:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]       ` <1452699925.6549.1456286963485.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-24 20:07         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24 20:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]           ` <F6BC367F-127F-4254-8E4E-E7BF60A027F3-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-24 22:38             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 22:38               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] getcpu_cache: ARM resume notifier Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] getcpu_cache: wire up ARM system call Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <1456270120-7560-4-git-send-email-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-24  0:54     ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24  0:54       ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24  1:05     ` [PATCH v4 (updated)] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24  1:05       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]       ` <1456275925-12071-1-git-send-email-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-24  5:28         ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24  5:28           ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24  6:54         ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24  6:54           ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] getcpu_cache: x86 32/64 resume notifier Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] getcpu_cache: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers

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