* [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
@ 1999-03-11 22:35 Jason Eckhardt
1999-03-12 1:25 ` [hppa-linux] Bootstrap #4 successful Helge Deller
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From: Jason Eckhardt @ 1999-03-11 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
Boot test #4: This is essentially the same code as #3 but I have taken
out some delays, modified the cache flush routines, and turned
verbose (debug) mode back on. I want to make sure that not having the delays
makes no difference and that no characters get dropped when there is a lot
of text (as in debug mode). Please let me know if the test still passes
as before. Hopefully this will be the last test for a while. Kernel work
comes next.
I have uploaded the binary as well as a new source drop to the ftp site. The
source is now GPL'd and a detailed README is included which gives an overview
of the boot code operation. This source supersedes any previous source you
may have laying around.
ftp from sod.res.cmu.edu:/pub/parisc/hilo
boot_rel_0.2.tar.gz The latest source code and documentation.
bootstrap_4.bin.gz Bootstrap binary #4.
Regards,
Jason Eckhardt.
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Bootstrap #4 successful
1999-03-11 22:35 [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Jason Eckhardt
@ 1999-03-12 1:25 ` Helge Deller
1999-03-12 2:33 ` [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Paul J.Y. Lahaie
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From: Helge Deller @ 1999-03-12 1:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
Hi !
Bootstrap #4 works again perfectly and very fast here on 715/64 via BOOTP/TFTP !
No Problems !
Helge Deller.
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
1999-03-11 22:35 [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Jason Eckhardt
1999-03-12 1:25 ` [hppa-linux] Bootstrap #4 successful Helge Deller
@ 1999-03-12 2:33 ` Paul J.Y. Lahaie
1999-03-12 6:54 ` [hppa-linux] Boot #4 dorin
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From: Paul J.Y. Lahaie @ 1999-03-12 2:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
Works fine for me now. I must have messed up the previous try, it
now boots up very quickly and gives me the spinning \|/- stuff.
- Paul
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* [hppa-linux] Boot #4
1999-03-11 22:35 [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Jason Eckhardt
1999-03-12 1:25 ` [hppa-linux] Bootstrap #4 successful Helge Deller
1999-03-12 2:33 ` [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Paul J.Y. Lahaie
@ 1999-03-12 6:54 ` dorin
1999-03-12 10:28 ` Hannu Martikka
1999-03-12 22:49 ` [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Grant Grundler
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From: dorin @ 1999-03-12 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
worked fine, 712/100, 128ram, external scsi
dman
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4
1999-03-12 6:54 ` [hppa-linux] Boot #4 dorin
@ 1999-03-12 10:28 ` Hannu Martikka
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From: Hannu Martikka @ 1999-03-12 10:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
Hi!
Tested bootstrap #4 with 735 (rbootd) and it worked OK.
- Goodi
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* RE: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
@ 1999-03-12 14:23 Muench, David
1999-03-12 19:16 ` Steven Beattie
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From: Muench, David @ 1999-03-12 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'hppa-linux@thepuffingroup.com'
Worked great again on my 715/80 off a scsi disk.
---
David Muench - Project System Administrator
Retrotech, Inc. - http://www.retrotech.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Eckhardt [mailto:jason@equator.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 5:35 PM
To: hppa-linux@thepuffingroup.com
Subject: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
Boot test #4: This is essentially the same code as #3 but I have taken
out some delays, modified the cache flush routines, and turned
verbose (debug) mode back on. I want to make sure that not having the delays
makes no difference and that no characters get dropped when there is a lot
of text (as in debug mode). Please let me know if the test still passes
as before. Hopefully this will be the last test for a while. Kernel work
comes next.
I have uploaded the binary as well as a new source drop to the ftp site. The
source is now GPL'd and a detailed README is included which gives an
overview
of the boot code operation. This source supersedes any previous source you
may have laying around.
ftp from sod.res.cmu.edu:/pub/parisc/hilo
boot_rel_0.2.tar.gz The latest source code and documentation.
bootstrap_4.bin.gz Bootstrap binary #4.
Regards,
Jason Eckhardt.
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
1999-03-12 14:23 Muench, David
@ 1999-03-12 19:16 ` Steven Beattie
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From: Steven Beattie @ 1999-03-12 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
> Boot test #4: This is essentially the same code as #3 but I have taken
> out some delays, modified the cache flush routines, and turned
> verbose (debug) mode back on. I want to make sure that not having the delays
> makes no difference and that no characters get dropped when there is a lot
> of text (as in debug mode). Please let me know if the test still passes
> as before. Hopefully this will be the last test for a while. Kernel work
> comes next.
Works like a champ on a 720/50 via rbootd. Much snappier than the third
bootstrap test.
Steve
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
1999-03-11 22:35 [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Jason Eckhardt
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
1999-03-12 6:54 ` [hppa-linux] Boot #4 dorin
@ 1999-03-12 22:49 ` Grant Grundler
1999-03-12 23:03 ` Grant Grundler
1999-03-13 5:21 ` Kumar
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From: Grant Grundler @ 1999-03-12 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
Jason Eckhardt wrote:
>
> Boot test #4: This is essentially the same code as #3 but I have taken
> out some delays, modified the cache flush routines, and turned
...
Works on B132L (early version B-class). Will try it on a newer
C-class next.
One gripe: The test code doesn't automatically reboot the box.
I use remote consoles and have to walk over to the machine room
to cycle power...remember I'm doing this in my "spare" time.
If/when a kernel debugger is working, rebooting from the debugger
would be a good thing. I think PDC will support this but don't
have a clue about the details.
grant
Firmware Version 5.8
Duplex Console IO Dependent Code (IODC) revision 1
Memory Test/Initialization Completed
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(c) Copyright 1995-1998, Hewlett-Packard Company, All rights reserved
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Processor Speed State Coprocessor State Cache Size
--------- -------- --------------------- ----------------- ----------
0 132 MHz Active Functional 64 KB
1 MB ext
Available memory (bytes) : 67108864
Good memory required (bytes): 67108864
Primary boot path: SESCSI.5.0
Alternate boot path: SESCSI.6.0
Console path: GRAPHICS(0)
Keyboard path: PS2
...
Main Menu: Enter command > pa
Primary boot path: SESCSI.5.0
Alternate boot path: SESCSI.6.0
Console path: GRAPHICS(0)
Keyboard path: PS2
Main Menu: Enter command > bo alt
Interact with IPL (Y, N, Q)?> n
Booting...
Boot IO Dependent Code (IODC) revision 153
HARD Booted.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PARISC/Linux Bootstrap Version 0.2 (non-interactive)
By Jason Eckhardt
Built Thu Mar 11 16:01:50 CST 1999 by jason@sathanas
IPL_DEBUG: Page zero parameters:
P0_IMM_max_mem: 67108864 (64 MB)
P0_BOOTCPU_10msec: 1320000 (132 MHz)
P0_BOOTCPU_mem_free: 0x00008000
P0_BOOTCPU_hpa: 0xFFFBE000
P0_BOOTCPU_pdc: 0x00004800
P0_COUT_iodc_io: 0x00008000
P0_CIN_iodc_io: 0x00008000
P0_BOOTDEV_iodc_io: 0x00012000
P0_COUT_class: 0x00000007
P0_CIN_class: 0x00000007
P0_BOOTDEV_class: 0x00000001
Reading parameters...done.
Size = 28672 bytes, entry = 0x00001000, location = 0x0002B040.
Loading kernel...done.
Transferring control to kernel.
*********************************************************
VMLINUX 0.0: Dummy kernel image loaded and executing!
It is now safe to reboot.
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
@ 1999-03-12 22:58 Jason Eckhardt
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From: Jason Eckhardt @ 1999-03-12 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux; +Cc: jason
Grant Grundler <grundler@cup.hp.com> wrote:
>
> Works on B132L (early version B-class). Will try it on a newer
> C-class next.
>
Thanks for helping out.
> One gripe: The test code doesn't automatically reboot the box.
> I use remote consoles and have to walk over to the machine room
> to cycle power...
Sorry about that..my HP sits at my feet and I just hit the TOC button.
I'll add this to the next test version.
>remember I'm doing this in my "spare" time.
Same here.
Jason.
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
1999-03-11 22:35 [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Jason Eckhardt
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
1999-03-12 22:49 ` [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Grant Grundler
@ 1999-03-12 23:03 ` Grant Grundler
1999-03-13 5:21 ` Kumar
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From: Grant Grundler @ 1999-03-12 23:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
Jason Eckhardt wrote:
>
> Boot test #4: This is essentially the same code as #3 but I have taken
> out some delays, modified the cache flush routines, and turned
...
Works on a fairly new 9000/782/C200+
[Party!]
cheers,
grant
Firmware Version 6.1
Duplex Console IO Dependent Code (IODC) revision 1
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(c) Copyright 1995-1998, Hewlett-Packard Company, All rights reserved
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Processor Speed State Coprocessor State I/D Cache
--------- -------- --------------------- ----------------- -------------
0 200 MHz Active Functional 512 KB/1 MB
Central Bus Speed (in MHz) : 120
Available memory (bytes) : 268435456
Good memory required (bytes): 21610496
Primary boot path: PCI1.13.0
Alternate boot path: SESCSI.2.0
Console path: GSC1.0.0
Keyboard path: PS2
CPU 0
WARNING: Self tests have been disabled as a result of FASTBOOT
being enabled. To enable self tests, use the FASTBOOT
command in the CONFIGURATION menu and reboot the system.
WARNING: Memory has been initialized, but not tested as a result of
FASTBOOT being enabled. To test memory, use the FASTBOOT
command in the CONFIGURATION menu and reboot the system.
------- Main Menu -------------------------------------------------------------
Command Description
------- -----------
BOot [PRI|ALT|<path>] Boot from specified path
PAth [PRI|ALT|CON|KEY] [<path>] Display or modify a path
SEArch [DIsplay|IPL] [<path>] Search for boot devices
COnfiguration [<command>] Access Configuration menu/commands
INformation [<command>] Access Information menu/commands
SERvice [<command>] Access Service menu/commands
DIsplay Redisplay the current menu
HElp [<menu>|<command>] Display help for menu or command
RESET Restart the system
-------
Main Menu: Enter command > pa
Primary boot path: PCI1.13.0
Alternate boot path: SESCSI.2.0
Console path: GSC1.0.0
Keyboard path: PS2
Main Menu: Enter command > bo pci1.12.0
Interact with IPL (Y, N, Q)?> n
Booting...
Boot IO Dependent Code (IODC) revision 1
HARD Booted.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PARISC/Linux Bootstrap Version 0.2 (non-interactive)
By Jason Eckhardt
Built Thu Mar 11 16:01:50 CST 1999 by jason@sathanas
IPL_DEBUG: Page zero parameters:
P0_IMM_max_mem: 268435456 (256 MB)
P0_BOOTCPU_10msec: 2000000 (200 MHz)
P0_BOOTCPU_mem_free: 0x0000C000
P0_BOOTCPU_hpa: 0xFFFA0000
P0_BOOTCPU_pdc: 0x00008000
P0_COUT_iodc_io: 0x0000C000
P0_CIN_iodc_io: 0x0000C000
P0_BOOTDEV_iodc_io: 0x00016000
P0_COUT_class: 0x00000007
P0_CIN_class: 0x00000007
P0_BOOTDEV_class: 0x00000001
Reading parameters...done.
Size = 28672 bytes, entry = 0x00001000, location = 0x0002B040.
Loading kernel...done.
Transferring control to kernel.
*********************************************************
VMLINUX 0.0: Dummy kernel image loaded and executing!
It is now safe to reboot.
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
1999-03-11 22:35 [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site Jason Eckhardt
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
1999-03-12 23:03 ` Grant Grundler
@ 1999-03-13 5:21 ` Kumar
1999-03-13 6:46 ` Bill Katz
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From: Kumar @ 1999-03-13 5:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux; +Cc: jason, kumar
I compiled without libmilli.a and it did compile.
File ipl_s.s says
The object code is converted to LIF (logical interchange format)
and then at the beginning of the boot media.
So how do I convert the binary "ipl" to LIF. I tried "lifinit"
and "mkboot" combination. But no luck, I keep getting
"Bad IPL size" and "Error reading IPL" error messages.
I tried "dd" also on the raw disk. No luck with that either.
So my question is how to place built "ipl" binary at the
appropriate place on the disk so that PDC finds it. Any magic
combination of commands ? Looks like I am missing something
obvious.
Thanks in advance,
-pkd
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Jason Eckhardt wrote:
>
> Boot test #4: This is essentially the same code as #3 but I have taken
> out some delays, modified the cache flush routines, and turned
> verbose (debug) mode back on. I want to make sure that not having the delays
> makes no difference and that no characters get dropped when there is a lot
> of text (as in debug mode). Please let me know if the test still passes
> as before. Hopefully this will be the last test for a while. Kernel work
> comes next.
>
> I have uploaded the binary as well as a new source drop to the ftp site. The
> source is now GPL'd and a detailed README is included which gives an overview
> of the boot code operation. This source supersedes any previous source you
> may have laying around.
>
> ftp from sod.res.cmu.edu:/pub/parisc/hilo
> boot_rel_0.2.tar.gz The latest source code and documentation.
> bootstrap_4.bin.gz Bootstrap binary #4.
>
> Regards,
> Jason Eckhardt.
>
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
1999-03-13 5:21 ` Kumar
@ 1999-03-13 6:46 ` Bill Katz
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From: Bill Katz @ 1999-03-13 6:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux
>
> I compiled without libmilli.a and it did compile.
> File ipl_s.s says
> The object code is converted to LIF (logical interchange format)
> and then at the beginning of the boot media.
>
> So how do I convert the binary "ipl" to LIF. I tried "lifinit"
> and "mkboot" combination. But no luck, I keep getting
>
> "Bad IPL size" and "Error reading IPL" error messages.
>
> I tried "dd" also on the raw disk. No luck with that either.
>
> So my question is how to place built "ipl" binary at the
> appropriate place on the disk so that PDC finds it. Any magic
> combination of commands ? Looks like I am missing something
> obvious.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> -pkd
You are on the right track. After lifinit you have to use lifcp to copy
the file into the newly created LIF volume. You also have to give it
the correct file type. A script I use for creating bootable LIF
volumes looks something like:
#! /bin/ksh -x
LIF_FILE=uxbootlf
/bin/rm -f $LIF_FILE
lifinit `./iplopt ISL` -v8000000 -d32 -nL2DIAG -K2 -s4096 $LIF_FILE
lifcp -r -T-12800 -K2 ISL $LIF_FILE:ISL
lifcp -r -T-12289 -K2 AUTO $LIF_FILE:AUTO
lifcp -r -T-12928 -K2 HPUX $LIF_FILE:HPUX
-Bill
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
@ 1999-03-13 23:33 Jason Eckhardt
1999-03-14 4:43 ` Kumar
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From: Jason Eckhardt @ 1999-03-13 23:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux; +Cc: jason
> > So my question is how to place built "ipl" binary at the
> > appropriate place on the disk so that PDC finds it. Any magic
> > combination of commands ? Looks like I am missing something
> > obvious.
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > -pkd
>
> You are on the right track. After lifinit you have to use lifcp to copy
> the file into the newly created LIF volume. You also have to give it
> the correct file type. A script I use for creating bootable LIF
> volumes looks something like:
>
That is one way. The way I do it for our very simple LIF volume is as folows:
Once you have obtained the SOM ipl binary (after make), then:
% strip ipl
% mkipl ipl
% mklifhdr hdr x y z a b c (see the utility for what these #'s mean)
% cat hdr pad_file ipl vmlinux > bootstrap.bin
pad_file is a 1024 byte file full of 0.
I did forget to put this information into the README, sorry.
Eventually (next few days, hopefully), there will be one utility "mkimg"
that will automatically do everything above for you (particularly, picking
the numbers which have to do with entry points, etc).
Of course, vmlinux doesn't yet exist. I just have a simple dummy kernel
I use there, which hasn't been included in the distribution. If you
want to play around without the dummy kernel, just comment out the line
in ipl_c.c that branches to the kernel and remove "vmlinux" from the
concat line step above. You can then see the bootstrap run, but it won't
try to execute the kernel.
Have fun, Jason.
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
1999-03-13 23:33 Jason Eckhardt
@ 1999-03-14 4:43 ` Kumar
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From: Kumar @ 1999-03-14 4:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux; +Cc: jason
OK, in the spirit of Linux tradition, I was able to hack it
to finally work. After doing couple of hex dumps of given
bootstrap.bin :-) and realizing what was I doing wrong.
Also I forgot to see the boot_utils directory.
So it also works on a B class 180. All that we need now is a Vmlinux.
Your answer explains why I am not seeing the moving cursor.
I Did not add a dummy kernel to image.
Any reasons you included libmilli.a in Makefile ? Since I was
getting bad archive messages I took it out of Makefile. Does not seem
to affect anything.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers,
pkd
On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Jason Eckhardt wrote:
>
> > > So my question is how to place built "ipl" binary at the
> > > appropriate place on the disk so that PDC finds it. Any magic
> > > combination of commands ? Looks like I am missing something
> > > obvious.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > -pkd
> >
> > You are on the right track. After lifinit you have to use lifcp to copy
> > the file into the newly created LIF volume. You also have to give it
> > the correct file type. A script I use for creating bootable LIF
> > volumes looks something like:
> >
>
> That is one way. The way I do it for our very simple LIF volume is as folows:
> Once you have obtained the SOM ipl binary (after make), then:
> % strip ipl
> % mkipl ipl
> % mklifhdr hdr x y z a b c (see the utility for what these #'s mean)
> % cat hdr pad_file ipl vmlinux > bootstrap.bin
>
> pad_file is a 1024 byte file full of 0.
>
> I did forget to put this information into the README, sorry.
> Eventually (next few days, hopefully), there will be one utility "mkimg"
> that will automatically do everything above for you (particularly, picking
> the numbers which have to do with entry points, etc).
>
> Of course, vmlinux doesn't yet exist. I just have a simple dummy kernel
> I use there, which hasn't been included in the distribution. If you
> want to play around without the dummy kernel, just comment out the line
> in ipl_c.c that branches to the kernel and remove "vmlinux" from the
> concat line step above. You can then see the bootstrap run, but it won't
> try to execute the kernel.
>
> Have fun, Jason.
>
>
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* Re: [hppa-linux] Boot #4 and source on ftp site
@ 1999-03-15 16:54 Jason Eckhardt
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From: Jason Eckhardt @ 1999-03-15 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hppa-linux, kumar; +Cc: jason
>
>
> Also I forgot to see the boot_utils directory.
>
Be sure to peruse every word of the README. There is a lot of information
in that file that is not included in the source files. It explains
the boot process, the boot image layout, and other details.
> Any reasons you included libmilli.a in Makefile ? Since I was
> getting bad archive messages I took it out of Makefile. Does not seem
> to affect anything.
>
I didn't include libmilli.a. Are you sure you have boot_rel_0.2.tar.gz,
the newest source code? If libmilli was added, somebody else did it.
It may be necessary to explicitly add libmilli when building with the cross
tools, but I'm using HPUX and gcc 2.8.1 and the millicode is "automatically"
linked in.
Remember, boot_rel_0.2.tar.gz is the latest source and you should delete
any previous source.
Jason.
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