Re: [parisc-linux] Helge's commits

Re: [parisc-linux] Helge's commits

[Mike Hibler]

> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:36:01 -0400
> From: Mike Shaver <shaver@netscape.com>
> To: Helge Deller <Helge.Deller@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
> Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Helge's commits
> 
> Helge Deller wrote:
> > From what I (and you too) saw, Utah CSS/CSL would be able to change that license,
> > the only question is, if OSF is willing to change it too ?
> 
> OSF's license is _probably_ GPL-compatible as-is, though the requirement
> for mention of permission notice in documentation might put it afoul,
> and I'd want to check with a real lawyer to be sure.  The Utah CSS/CSL
> license, as currently in place on pdc.h and such, is not at all
> GPL-compatible.  Hopefully, we can get it changed, but in the meantime I
> don't think we should be barging ahead and adding these files to the
> tree. 
> 
Doh!  You are right, we do have quite a few files in there with the
notorious advertising clause.  I assume that is the sticky part?
I'll see what I can do...

Re: [parisc-linux] Helge's commits

[Philipp Rumpf]

> Doh!  You are right, we do have quite a few files in there with the
> notorious advertising clause.  I assume that is the sticky part?
> I'll see what I can do...

Don't waste your time. The first thing to do is too check with OSF. I guess
their response will be "No way" so we can forget about that.

Re: [parisc-linux] Helge's commits

[Jeffrey A Law]

  > > Doh!  You are right, we do have quite a few files in there with the
  > > notorious advertising clause.  I assume that is the sticky part?
  > > I'll see what I can do...
  > 
  > Don't waste your time. The first thing to do is too check with OSF. I guess
  > their response will be "No way" so we can forget about that.
Maybe, maybe not.  Depends on what Mike finds in the UofU sources -- the UofU
wrote most of the PA code, not OSF.  So while OSF may have slapped a copyright
on it when they picked it up and modified it, there may well be versions in
the UofU tree that are not encumbered by the OSF license and are copyrighted
by the UofU only.

This is something I've been meaning to bright up with folks at the UofU, but
keep forgetting when I'm up there.  Mike's probably in a better position to do
it anyway since he's still with the UofU.

jeff

[parisc-linux] Helge's commits

[Philipp Rumpf]

First, please excuse me if I sound a bit aggressive ...

> Update of /home/cvs/parisc/linux/include/asm-parisc
> In directory puffin.external.hp.com:/tmp/cvs-serv25289
> 
> Modified Files:
> 	pdc.h 
> Log Message:
> 
> added the OS_ID-patch from Hannu..

Helge, I very much appreciate you working on this project.  Still, I think you
should be a bit more communicative on what you commit, especially if there are
legal (see the OSF code) or political (as I suspect might be the case for this
change) issues.  I lost quite a bit of time yesterday because of the code you
committed (which was partly due to the parisc-linux-cvs list not working) and
I would like to avoid that in the future.

	Philipp Rumpf

Re: [parisc-linux] Helge's commits

[Helge Deller]

Hi Philipp,

Philipp Rumpf schrieb:

> First, please excuse me if I sound a bit aggressive ...
>
> > Update of /home/cvs/parisc/linux/include/asm-parisc
> > In directory puffin.external.hp.com:/tmp/cvs-serv25289
> >
> > Modified Files:
> >       pdc.h
> > Log Message:
> >
> > added the OS_ID-patch from Hannu..
>
> Helge, I very much appreciate you working on this project.

Thank you very much.

> Still, I think you
> should be a bit more communicative on what you commit, especially if there are
> legal (see the OSF code) or political (as I suspect might be the case for this
> change) issues.

Yes, you are right ! I will talk more to you and the list before I commit
something new. As you already said, there ARE legal und political issues, and
because of that I already asked the list in one of my last mails, if we are
allowed to use that code.

Re: [parisc-linux] Helge's commits

[Mike Shaver]

Helge Deller wrote:
> From what I (and you too) saw, Utah CSS/CSL would be able to change that license,
> the only question is, if OSF is willing to change it too ?

OSF's license is _probably_ GPL-compatible as-is, though the requirement
for mention of permission notice in documentation might put it afoul,
and I'd want to check with a real lawyer to be sure.  The Utah CSS/CSL
license, as currently in place on pdc.h and such, is not at all
GPL-compatible.  Hopefully, we can get it changed, but in the meantime I
don't think we should be barging ahead and adding these files to the
tree. 

I and others (self-identify if you wish) think that until the issues are
cleared up, we should probably remove the OSF/CSS/CSL code from the
tree.  Hopefully we can get it all cleared up in short order, but until
then I'm nervous about what happens a month from now when Utah says
``no, you can't relicense'' and we have to redevelop lots of the code. 
Ask the 4.4LITE guys, it's not fun.

Mike

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