[parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Ulrich.Strelow]

Here is my experience booting the kernel on a 715/33 using hpux:

ISL> hpux /stand/vmlinux

Boot
: disk(2/0/1.6.0.0.0.0.0;0)/stand/vmlinux
389128 + 98304 + 68064 start 0x12000


The Kernel has started...
You are running a 33MHz PA-RISC-Machine with 48MB of RAM.
Free memory was at 0x000AB100 (=stackbase, stacksize=0x00040000).
Free memory now at 0x000EB100 and ends at 0x03000000.
Linux version 2.2.1 (root@be5359) (gcc version 2.8.1) #2
 Fri Jul 16 10:17:36 METDST 1999
command_line: <none>

exponent = 1028 mantissa = 1092275 result = 33328125
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : Hewlett Packard (HP)
cpu family      : PA-RISC 1.1
revision        : 4
model           : 9000/715
model name      : Scorpio Jr.(715/33)
hversion        : 0x00003110
sversion        : 0x00000481
sw_id           : 2015972664
shadow registers: yes
cpu category    : category A
cpu level       : level 1
cpu MHz         : 33.00333500
I-cache         : 64 KB
D-cache         : 64 KB (WB)
ITLB entries    : 120
DTLB entries    : 120 - shared with ITLB


PUFFINLOOKHERE! now initializing CR14
PUUIFF fault_vector is 15800
secret message is "cows can fly"
interrupted with code 142, regs 00000000
IAOQ: 00000000 00000000
PSW: 00000000
EIR: 00000000
interrupted with code 241, regs 00000000
IAOQ: 00000000 00000000
Calibrating delay loop...

Then it hangs with no leds blinking ...

The kernel messages are the same using the PARISC/Linux Bootstrap and
rbootd.

And then my question:
I think the 715/33 does  not  have a Dino or a Lasi chip (am I right?), but
 does it have a gecko (and what is this?)?

Ulrich
---------------------------------------------
Ulrich Strelow
<ulrich.strelow@schering.de or
ulrich_strelow@yahoo.com>
Berlin, Germany

Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 01:54:18PM +0200, Ulrich.Strelow@schering.de wrote:
[successful boot report snipped]
> And then my question:
> I think the 715/33 does  not  have a Dino or a Lasi chip (am I right?), but
>  does it have a gecko (and what is this?)?

Right, the 715 has neither DINO nor LASI.  The chips inside are labelled
OLIN and SHINKO.  http://www.thepuffingroup.com/parisc/hp9000_models.html
has no details on these chips.  Alex tells me he's trying to get
documentation on these chips, but I'll have to be patient.  The major
stumbling block with these machines is likely to be the SCSI controller
-- it's an NCR53C700 which is apparently a very nasty device; much more
nasty than the 710 which is built into LASI.

In my copious spare time, I'm stumbling through the Utah Mach sources,
trying to glean details about OLIN and SHINKO but I've had no success
so far.

-- 
Matthew Wilcox <willy@bofh.ai>
"Windows and MacOS are products, contrived by engineers in the service of
specific companies. Unix, by contrast, is not so much a product as it is a
painstakingly compiled oral history of the hacker subculture." - N Stephenson

Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Helge Deller]

Ulrich.Strelow@Schering.DE schrieb:

> Here is my experience booting the kernel on a 715/33 using hpux:
>
> ISL> hpux /stand/vmlinux
>
> Boot
> : disk(2/0/1.6.0.0.0.0.0;0)/stand/vmlinux
> 389128 + 98304 + 68064 start 0x12000
>
> The Kernel has started...
> You are running a 33MHz PA-RISC-Machine with 48MB of RAM.
> Free memory was at 0x000AB100 (=stackbase, stacksize=0x00040000).
> Free memory now at 0x000EB100 and ends at 0x03000000.
> Linux version 2.2.1 (root@be5359) (gcc version 2.8.1) #2
>  Fri Jul 16 10:17:36 METDST 1999
> command_line: <none>
>
> exponent = 1028 mantissa = 1092275 result = 33328125
> processor       : 0
> vendor_id       : Hewlett Packard (HP)
> cpu family      : PA-RISC 1.1
> revision        : 4
> model           : 9000/715
> model name      : Scorpio Jr.(715/33)
> hversion        : 0x00003110
> sversion        : 0x00000481
> sw_id           : 2015972664
> shadow registers: yes
> cpu category    : category A
> cpu level       : level 1
> cpu MHz         : 33.00333500
> I-cache         : 64 KB
> D-cache         : 64 KB (WB)
> ITLB entries    : 120
> DTLB entries    : 120 - shared with ITLB
>
> PUFFINLOOKHERE! now initializing CR14
> PUUIFF fault_vector is 15800
> secret message is "cows can fly"

til this point all is OK !


>
> interrupted with code 142, regs 00000000
> IAOQ: 00000000 00000000

There should be something different than zero here....

>
> PSW: 00000000
> EIR: 00000000
> interrupted with code 241, regs 00000000
> IAOQ: 00000000 00000000
> Calibrating delay loop...
>
> Then it hangs with no leds blinking ...

did you tried before or after Phillip's last commit (head.s changed) ?

> The kernel messages are the same using the PARISC/Linux Bootstrap and
> rbootd.

Great!

> And then my question:
> I think the 715/33 does  not  have a Dino or a Lasi chip (am I right?), but
>  does it have a gecko (and what is this?)?

I think it has a lasi-chip...
I don't know until now what gecko is.... (isn't it the same as lasi??).

> Ulrich

Helge.

Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Philipp Rumpf]

> > PUFFINLOOKHERE! now initializing CR14
> > PUUIFF fault_vector is 15800
> > secret message is "cows can fly"
> 
> til this point all is OK !
> 
> 
> >
> > interrupted with code 142, regs 00000000
> > IAOQ: 00000000 00000000
> 
> There should be something different than zero here....

bzzt. Helge, please don't comment on code you haven't written. This is okay.

Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Mike Hibler]

> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:14:13 +0200
> From: Matthew Wilcox <Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com>
> To: Ulrich.Strelow@schering.de
> Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question
> 
> On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 01:54:18PM +0200, Ulrich.Strelow@schering.de wrote:
> [successful boot report snipped]
> > And then my question:
> > I think the 715/33 does  not  have a Dino or a Lasi chip (am I right?), but
> >  does it have a gecko (and what is this?)?
> 
> Right, the 715 has neither DINO nor LASI.  The chips inside are labelled
> OLIN and SHINKO.  http://www.thepuffingroup.com/parisc/hp9000_models.html
> has no details on these chips.  Alex tells me he's trying to get
> documentation on these chips, but I'll have to be patient.  The major
> stumbling block with these machines is likely to be the SCSI controller
> -- it's an NCR53C700 which is apparently a very nasty device; much more
> nasty than the 710 which is built into LASI.
> 
> In my copious spare time, I'm stumbling through the Utah Mach sources,
> trying to glean details about OLIN and SHINKO but I've had no success
> so far.
> 

We never had a 715/33 so I don't know anything about them.  But someone
else said they had the ASP which is the "original snakes" IO subsystem
(705/710/720/730/750).  The ASP is quite similar to the LASI, and there
is plenty of code in the Mach sources.

Hit your HP sources up for:

	Corba/Coral I/O Subsystem External Reference Specification

Don't have a part or drawing number unfortunately.  We have version 1.43
from November 1990.  Looks like it came out of Cupertino.

As for the SCSI controller, the 700 isn't that different from the 710.
Had a few bugs though as I recall and our driver/script did not work
around all of them.

Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Grant Grundler]

Mike Hibler wrote:
> Hit your HP sources up for:
> 
> 	Corba/Coral I/O Subsystem External Reference Specification

typo: I think Mike meant "Cobra" - as in the snake.

> Don't have a part or drawing number unfortunately.  We have version 1.43
> from November 1990.  Looks like it came out of Cupertino.
> 
> As for the SCSI controller, the 700 isn't that different from the 710.
> Had a few bugs though as I recall and our driver/script did not work
> around all of them.

The two primary authors of HP-UXs c720 driver (which supported c710)
left HP at least a year ago. I'll try to interest them in helping
with the parisc-linux but no promises...

grant

Grant Grundler
Communications Infrastructure Computer Operations
+1.408.447.7253

Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Mike Hibler]

> To: Mike Hibler <mike@fast.cs.utah.edu>
> cc: parisc-linux@thepuffingroup.com
> Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question 
> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:10:51 -0700
> From: Grant Grundler <grundler@cup.hp.com>
> 
> Mike Hibler wrote:
> > Hit your HP sources up for:
> > 
> > 	Corba/Coral I/O Subsystem External Reference Specification
> 
> typo: I think Mike meant "Cobra" - as in the snake.
> 
Right you are, "Cobra/Coral".

I'd take a spitting, hissing Cobra over CORBA any day...

RE: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question

[Arnaud.ATOCH]

Hi,

I do have some 712/715/720/730/735 . If you need some informtions or your
kernel to be tested on these machines, please let know if I can help. Btw
I'm far from a kernel developper.

Arnaud Atoch
O.E.C.D.
2 Rue Andre PAscal
75775 Paris Cedex 16
France

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hibler [mailto:mike@fast.cs.utah.edu]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 17:53
To: Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com; Ulrich.Strelow@Schering.DE
Cc: parisc-linux@thepuffingroup.com
Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question


> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:14:13 +0200
> From: Matthew Wilcox <Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com>
> To: Ulrich.Strelow@schering.de
> Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] 715/33 experience and one question
> 
> On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 01:54:18PM +0200, Ulrich.Strelow@schering.de
wrote:
> [successful boot report snipped]
> > And then my question:
> > I think the 715/33 does  not  have a Dino or a Lasi chip (am I right?),
but
> >  does it have a gecko (and what is this?)?
> 
> Right, the 715 has neither DINO nor LASI.  The chips inside are labelled
> OLIN and SHINKO.  http://www.thepuffingroup.com/parisc/hp9000_models.html
> has no details on these chips.  Alex tells me he's trying to get
> documentation on these chips, but I'll have to be patient.  The major
> stumbling block with these machines is likely to be the SCSI controller
> -- it's an NCR53C700 which is apparently a very nasty device; much more
> nasty than the 710 which is built into LASI.
> 
> In my copious spare time, I'm stumbling through the Utah Mach sources,
> trying to glean details about OLIN and SHINKO but I've had no success
> so far.
> 

We never had a 715/33 so I don't know anything about them.  But someone
else said they had the ASP which is the "original snakes" IO subsystem
(705/710/720/730/750).  The ASP is quite similar to the LASI, and there
is plenty of code in the Mach sources.

Hit your HP sources up for:

	Corba/Coral I/O Subsystem External Reference Specification

Don't have a part or drawing number unfortunately.  We have version 1.43
from November 1990.  Looks like it came out of Cupertino.

As for the SCSI controller, the 700 isn't that different from the 710.
Had a few bugs though as I recall and our driver/script did not work
around all of them.

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