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From: Sven LUTHER <luther@debian.org>
To: "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com>
Cc: luther@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr,
	Michael Schmitz <schmitz@opal.biophys.uni-duesseldorf.de>,
	Albrecht Dreß <ad@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>,
	Tim Wojtulewicz <Tim.Wojtulewicz@nau.edu>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.linuxppc.org, debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Pismo status
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:33:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000518163342.A14744@lambda.u-strasbg.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <v04220800b5492487abdb@[10.0.0.42]>; from tas@mindspring.com on Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:15:24PM -0700


On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:15:24PM -0700, Timothy A. Seufert wrote:
> At 2:08 PM +0200 5/17/00, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> >On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 12:54:22PM +0200, Michael Schmitz wrote:
> >>  > Tim Wojtulewicz wrote:
> >>  > > No it's definitely supposed to have a fan.  It comes on in MacOS.
> >>  > > The problem is that the PMU is not fully supported yet, so it doesn't
> >>  > > understand that the processor is too hot.  I'm trying to find
> >>  >                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>  > Does this mean that I can damage the machine if I just run a high-load
> >>  > program?!?
> >>
> >>  I strongly doubt that. The PMU should handle this autonomously, regardless
> >>  of Linux support for the PMU.
> >
> >Also, i think the ppc cpu will halt itself when becoming too hot,
>
> No, it will not.
>
> The PowerPC 750 (G3) and 7400 (G4) can both fire off an interrupt
> when the on-die temperature sensor reading rises above a trigger
> value (or falls below a second trigger value).  This feature *could*
> be used by an operating system to slow down the CPU (through the

So this mean that the G3 and G4 cpus have both the equivalent of
speedstep/whatever that AMD & Intel are introducing as a big novelty ?

> instruction cache throttling feature) or halt it to prevent
> overheating.  However, there is no hardware feature which can halt
> the CPU without software control.

Are you sure about this ? did you already manage to burn out a ppc cpu like
you do when running a pentium without a fan ?

> >  and not let
> >itself burn. At elast it was so since the earlier 680x0 cpus.
>
> As far as I know none of the 680x0 CPUs even had an on-die
> temperature sensor, let alone a thermal shutdown feature.

I think to remember that the later 680X0 have, maybe not a temperature sensor,
but a way to halt themself before burning, ...

Friendly,

Sven LUTHER

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-05-18 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-05-16  7:23 Pismo status Chris Leishman
2000-05-16  8:46 ` Michel Dänzer
2000-05-16 14:15   ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-16 14:13     ` Chris Leishman
2000-05-16 19:51     ` Tim Wojtulewicz
2000-05-17  9:03       ` Albrecht Dre_
2000-05-17 10:54         ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-17 12:08           ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-18  5:15             ` Timothy A. Seufert
2000-05-18  9:13               ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-18 14:35                 ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-18 15:33                   ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-18 14:47                     ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-18 15:49                       ` Sergio Brandano
     [not found]                         ` <20000519094029.A16145@lambda.u-strasbg.fr>
2000-05-19 12:30                           ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-19 19:42                             ` Worth
2000-05-20  9:51                               ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-20 11:53                                 ` Michel Dänzer
2000-05-21  5:52                                 ` David A. Gatwood
2000-05-22 13:32                                   ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-22 14:44                                     ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-22 13:54                                       ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-22 15:01                                         ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-22 14:13                                           ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-22 15:16                                             ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-22 14:33                                               ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-22 15:41                                                 ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-22 15:48                                                   ` Michel Dänzer
2000-05-22 16:46                                                   ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-22 17:08                                                     ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-23 17:48                                                     ` Debian pmud package available Michael Schmitz
2000-05-23 18:59                                                       ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-23 18:09                                                         ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-24  7:11                                                           ` Stephan Leemburg
2000-05-24  7:31                                                             ` PMUD vs APM Joseph Garcia
2000-05-24 11:00                                                               ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-24 10:13                                                                 ` Joseph Garcia
2000-05-24 11:04                                                                 ` Steven Hanley
2000-05-24  9:18                                                             ` Debian pmud package available Michael Schmitz
2000-05-24 20:23                                                               ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-25 12:04                                                                 ` Michel Dänzer
2000-05-25 20:25                                                                   ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-26  7:58                                                                     ` Francois Felix Ingrand
2000-05-26  9:25                                                                       ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-28  1:58                                                                         ` Robert Thompson
2000-05-28 12:03                                                                           ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-28 14:35                                                                             ` Michel Dänzer
2000-05-28 14:42                                                                               ` Michael Schmitz
2000-05-30  6:55                                                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2000-05-30  8:57                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2000-05-30 20:11                                                                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2000-05-31 13:20                                                                         ` Francois Felix Ingrand
2000-05-31 19:01                                                                           ` Michael Schmitz
2000-06-01  7:45                                                                             ` Francois Felix Ingrand
2000-06-01  8:53                                                                             ` Michel Dänzer
2000-06-06 18:44                                                                               ` Michael Schmitz
2000-06-06 19:12                                                                                 ` Joseph Garcia
2000-06-06 19:42                                                                                   ` Michel Dänzer
2000-06-06 20:00                                                                                     ` Pismo battery support (was 'Re: Debian pmud package available') Joseph Garcia
2000-06-06 20:13                                                                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2000-06-07  7:08                                                                                         ` Stephan Leemburg
2000-06-07  7:55                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2000-06-06 20:09                                                                                     ` Debian pmud package available Michel Dänzer
2000-06-07 13:50                                                                                     ` Francois Felix Ingrand
2000-05-24  0:31                                                       ` Wilhelm Fitzpatrick
2000-05-24  7:30                                                         ` Stephan Leemburg
2000-05-21 21:01                                 ` Pismo status Timothy A. Seufert
2000-05-21 21:28                                   ` Rawhide SRPMS ian reinhart geiser
2000-05-22  5:17                                   ` Pismo status Ethan Benson
2000-05-22  8:58                                     ` Timothy A. Seufert
2000-05-22 21:34                                     ` David A. Gatwood
2000-05-20 16:23                             ` Sven LUTHER
2000-05-21  6:10                               ` David A. Gatwood
2000-05-18 20:06                 ` Worth
2000-05-18 14:33               ` Sven LUTHER [this message]
2000-05-19  5:40                 ` Timothy A. Seufert
2000-05-18 14:48               ` Tim Wojtulewicz
2000-05-19  5:53                 ` Timothy A. Seufert
2000-05-17 15:04         ` Tim Wojtulewicz
2000-05-17 16:15           ` Sergio Brandano
2000-05-17 17:36             ` Worth
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-05-21 10:12 Claudio Nieder

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