Bug Tracker online

Bug Tracker online

[Klaus Naumann]

Hi all,

I've written a bug tracker lately which is online as of now.
It is intended to make it easier to track the problems of
Linux/MIPS and to give the developers a more clear input and
overview of the situation.
You can visit it at www.linux-mips.org -> Click "Bug Tracker"
Some notes: I have not protected this stuff with a password or so.
I'll take a close look what's going on and if it gets abused I have
some ideas how to make it more secure. But as of now I hope we
don't need to make things more complicated than they must be.
If you want to receive a mail whenever something in the que changes,
you can subscribe to a list of ppl which will be emailed.

Well, thanks, have fun and hope you find it usable.
If you encounter any bugs, have problems or suggestions feel
free to mail me and tell me to make it much better.


	CU, Klaus


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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Florian Lohoff]

On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:45:22PM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've written a bug tracker lately which is online as of now.
> It is intended to make it easier to track the problems of
> Linux/MIPS and to give the developers a more clear input and
> overview of the situation.

If you are bored - Would you mind writing a "Boot output parser".

What i have seen lately is that sometimes we are not aware of what
drivers/machines work and which dont. So i thought of an idea where
you just run a script or something sending something like

dmesg
cat /proc/cpuinfo

to a central location which than parses the output.

The one sending these reports has to give possible additional
hints on what he did/patch/change to get it to work. So probabably
we will than be able to keep track on which kernel versions
worked on which machines.

Flo
-- 
Florian Lohoff		flo@rfc822.org		      	+49-5201-669912
      "Write only memory - Oops. Time for my medication again ..."

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Klaus Naumann]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Florian Lohoff wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:45:22PM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I've written a bug tracker lately which is online as of now.
> > It is intended to make it easier to track the problems of
> > Linux/MIPS and to give the developers a more clear input and
> > overview of the situation.
> 
> If you are bored - Would you mind writing a "Boot output parser".

Actually writing the bug tracker wasn't an act of boredom 
(if you meant it that way). I had the strong feeling that we have
a lot of open problems and we're loosing control which are still open.
Well, in fact your mail is the only comment from the mailinglists on a
project which has taken a week to write and makes sense to me and other 
ppl. I hoped that if ppl don't like the idea or the way I did it, that
they at least would tell me to make it better.
Just not saying anything is pretty lame and to be honest I'm pretty
disappointed about that.
Note that I'm not hunting for a "Hey what a cool idea !" or so -
but I'd have expected at least any comment.

> 
> What i have seen lately is that sometimes we are not aware of what
> drivers/machines work and which dont. So i thought of an idea where
> you just run a script or something sending something like
> 
> dmesg
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
> 
> to a central location which than parses the output.
> 
> The one sending these reports has to give possible additional
> hints on what he did/patch/change to get it to work. So probabably
> we will than be able to keep track on which kernel versions
> worked on which machines.

This is indeed a interesting idea. Writing it wouldn't be a big deal.
But the question is if it's worth writing it. First we would need
some ppl which actally send the info somewhere - I'm pretty
much in doubt, that we will find enough so that it rents.
Second question is if ppl are actually interested in such a thing.
I'll not again waste time writing something where I don't get at least a
small ammount of feedback and which noone is using.


	BFN, Klaus

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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Guido Guenther]

On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:45:22PM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've written a bug tracker lately which is online as of now.
> It is intended to make it easier to track the problems of
> Linux/MIPS and to give the developers a more clear input and
> overview of the situation.
Cool. I especially like the bug mailing list feature. 
Would it make sense to group bugs by e.g. toolchain/kernel/...(i.e. add
some predefinded values to the "belongs to" field)?
 -- Guido

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Klaus Naumann]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Guido Guenther wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:45:22PM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> Cool. I especially like the bug mailing list feature. 
> Would it make sense to group bugs by e.g. toolchain/kernel/...(i.e. add
> some predefinded values to the "belongs to" field)?

Well, I thought about that. The point is, that I don't know yet if the
bugtracker doesn't get too inflexible if we use predefined
values. WHat do you think ?

	CU, Klaus

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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Martin Schulze]

Klaus Naumann wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Guido Guenther wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:45:22PM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> > Cool. I especially like the bug mailing list feature. 
> > Would it make sense to group bugs by e.g. toolchain/kernel/...(i.e. add
> > some predefinded values to the "belongs to" field)?
> 
> Well, I thought about that. The point is, that I don't know yet if the
> bugtracker doesn't get too inflexible if we use predefined
> values. WHat do you think ?

I'd say: Use it, lern its limits, bug it if you need more features
and improve it on the way.

Regards,

	Joey

-- 
Linux - the choice of a GNU generation.

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Karel van Houten]

Hi Klaus,

Klaus wrote:
> Actually writing the bug tracker wasn't an act of boredom 
> (if you meant it that way). I had the strong feeling that we have
> a lot of open problems and we're loosing control which are still open.
> Well, in fact your mail is the only comment from the mailinglists on a
> project which has taken a week to write and makes sense to me and other 
> ppl. I hoped that if ppl don't like the idea or the way I did it, that
> they at least would tell me to make it better.
> Just not saying anything is pretty lame and to be honest I'm pretty
> disappointed about that.
> Note that I'm not hunting for a "Hey what a cool idea !" or so -
> but I'd have expected at least any comment.
You sound a bit disappointed. Well, I can imagine, but you should
give people more time. I had planned to look into your bug tracker,
but didn't found the time yet (Your mail was still in my inbox).

Concerning the boot output parser:
> This is indeed a interesting idea. Writing it wouldn't be a big deal.
> But the question is if it's worth writing it. First we would need
> some ppl which actally send the info somewhere - I'm pretty
> much in doubt, that we will find enough so that it rents.
> Second question is if ppl are actually interested in such a thing.
> I'll not again waste time writing something where I don't get at least a
> small ammount of feedback and which noone is using.
I think it is really useful to know what configurations / kernel versions
and hardware other people have. I have published the bootlogs of
my DECStations on my website. 

By the way, you could update your mips-linux webpages in respect to
DECStations from my info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel

I'm currently running kernel 2.4.0-test9, and I'm in the process
of rebuilding RedHat 6.1 packages to get a minimal distribution ready.

Regards,

-- 
Karel van Houten

----------------------------------------------------------
The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better."
I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
----------------------------------------------------------

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Karel van Houten]

Hi Klaus,

Klaus wrote:
> Actually writing the bug tracker wasn't an act of boredom 
> (if you meant it that way). I had the strong feeling that we have
> a lot of open problems and we're loosing control which are still open.
> Well, in fact your mail is the only comment from the mailinglists on a
> project which has taken a week to write and makes sense to me and other 
> ppl. I hoped that if ppl don't like the idea or the way I did it, that
> they at least would tell me to make it better.
> Just not saying anything is pretty lame and to be honest I'm pretty
> disappointed about that.
> Note that I'm not hunting for a "Hey what a cool idea !" or so -
> but I'd have expected at least any comment.
You sound a bit disappointed. Well, I can imagine, but you should
give people more time. I had planned to look into your bug tracker,
but didn't found the time yet (Your mail was still in my inbox).

Concerning the boot output parser:
> This is indeed a interesting idea. Writing it wouldn't be a big deal.
> But the question is if it's worth writing it. First we would need
> some ppl which actally send the info somewhere - I'm pretty
> much in doubt, that we will find enough so that it rents.
> Second question is if ppl are actually interested in such a thing.
> I'll not again waste time writing something where I don't get at least a
> small ammount of feedback and which noone is using.
I think it is really useful to know what configurations / kernel versions
and hardware other people have. I have published the bootlogs of
my DECStations on my website. 

By the way, you could update your mips-linux webpages in respect to
DECStations from my info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel

I'm currently running kernel 2.4.0-test9, and I'm in the process
of rebuilding RedHat 6.1 packages to get a minimal distribution ready.

Regards,

-- 
Karel van Houten

----------------------------------------------------------
The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better."
I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
----------------------------------------------------------

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Florian Lohoff]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 10:04:27AM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> Actually writing the bug tracker wasn't an act of boredom 
> (if you meant it that way). I had the strong feeling that we have

No - I didnt think of it that way ...

> > The one sending these reports has to give possible additional
> > hints on what he did/patch/change to get it to work. So probabably
> > we will than be able to keep track on which kernel versions
> > worked on which machines.
> 
> This is indeed a interesting idea. Writing it wouldn't be a big deal.
> But the question is if it's worth writing it. First we would need
> some ppl which actally send the info somewhere - I'm pretty
> much in doubt, that we will find enough so that it rents.
> Second question is if ppl are actually interested in such a thing.
> I'll not again waste time writing something where I don't get at least a
> small ammount of feedback and which noone is using.

Right - I just thought as a feedback for the kernel cvs commits the other
way round that you implemented - Sometimes (most of the time ?) bugs
keep not found because noone is using some specific feature (Like the
Timeing stuff in the decstations) and though a lot of people simply
think its their fault instead of complaining - But with something like
that and possibly a simple shell script we yould collect not negative
but positive information on WHAT is actually working. Nevertheless this
only works for a small subset of the mips stuff (kernel) and though might
be pretty useless as most of the kernel stuff works and userspace is
getting the problem.

Flo
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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Klaus Naumann]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Karel van Houten wrote:

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> Klaus wrote:
> > Actually writing the bug tracker wasn't an act of boredom 
> > (if you meant it that way). I had the strong feeling that we have
> > a lot of open problems and we're loosing control which are still open.
> > Well, in fact your mail is the only comment from the mailinglists on a
> > project which has taken a week to write and makes sense to me and other 
> > ppl. I hoped that if ppl don't like the idea or the way I did it, that
> > they at least would tell me to make it better.
> > Just not saying anything is pretty lame and to be honest I'm pretty
> > disappointed about that.
> > Note that I'm not hunting for a "Hey what a cool idea !" or so -
> > but I'd have expected at least any comment.
> You sound a bit disappointed. Well, I can imagine, but you should
> give people more time. I had planned to look into your bug tracker,
> but didn't found the time yet (Your mail was still in my inbox).

Yes, you're right - I was a bit rushing. And it wasn't the first time
that I got this impression ... so maybe I was a bit to fast.

> Concerning the boot output parser:

[snippelip]

> I think it is really useful to know what configurations / kernel versions
> and hardware other people have. I have published the bootlogs of
> my DECStations on my website. 

ok, we just need to think about a good way to make the thing happen.
Anyone with a good idea mail me ;)
 
> By the way, you could update your mips-linux webpages in respect to
> DECStations from my info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel

Done. :)

> I'm currently running kernel 2.4.0-test9, and I'm in the process
> of rebuilding RedHat 6.1 packages to get a minimal distribution ready.

Cool :)

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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Ulrich Teichert]

Hi!

>> I think it is really useful to know what configurations / kernel versions
>> and hardware other people have. I have published the bootlogs of
>> my DECStations on my website. 
>
>ok, we just need to think about a good way to make the thing happen.
>Anyone with a good idea mail me ;)

Couldn't we just take the bug tracker? I mean, add a state to the bugs,
abuse a text field, et voila.

HTH,
Uli
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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Ulrich Teichert]

Hi!

>> I think it is really useful to know what configurations / kernel versions
>> and hardware other people have. I have published the bootlogs of
>> my DECStations on my website. 
>
>ok, we just need to think about a good way to make the thing happen.
>Anyone with a good idea mail me ;)

Couldn't we just take the bug tracker? I mean, add a state to the bugs,
abuse a text field, et voila.

HTH,
Uli
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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Klaus Naumann]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Ulrich Teichert wrote:

> Hi!
> >ok, we just need to think about a good way to make the thing happen.
> >Anyone with a good idea mail me ;)
> 
> Couldn't we just take the bug tracker? I mean, add a state to the bugs,
> abuse a text field, et voila.

We actually could. I have a status called "Info" - so
we could just add bugs with status Info and make a summary like
"Bootmessages of Indigo2 (22102000)" and paste the info into the
text field.

Anyone against that or better solutions ?


	Klaus

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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Ulrich Teichert]

Hi!

>We actually could. I have a status called "Info" - so
>we could just add bugs with status Info and make a summary like
>"Bootmessages of Indigo2 (22102000)" and paste the info into the
>text field.
>
>Anyone against that or better solutions ?

Umm... I would prefer to use a designated state - it's much
easier to search for. When you're abusing a system: be nice, even
when it's your own ;-)

Just my 2 Pf (way less than cents),
Uli
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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Ulrich Teichert]

Hi!

>We actually could. I have a status called "Info" - so
>we could just add bugs with status Info and make a summary like
>"Bootmessages of Indigo2 (22102000)" and paste the info into the
>text field.
>
>Anyone against that or better solutions ?

Umm... I would prefer to use a designated state - it's much
easier to search for. When you're abusing a system: be nice, even
when it's your own ;-)

Just my 2 Pf (way less than cents),
Uli
-- 
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Stormweg 24               |listening to: Paralysed (The Sewergrooves),
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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Keith M Wesolowski]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 10:58:58AM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Guido Guenther wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 07:45:22PM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> > Cool. I especially like the bug mailing list feature. 
> > Would it make sense to group bugs by e.g. toolchain/kernel/...(i.e. add
> > some predefinded values to the "belongs to" field)?
> 
> Well, I thought about that. The point is, that I don't know yet if the
> bugtracker doesn't get too inflexible if we use predefined
> values. WHat do you think ?

The trouble is, for some bugs, by the time you've figured out what the
bug belongs to, you're 90% of the way to having fixed it and there's
usually no point to putting it into the bug tracker. At the same time,
using something like "toolchain" is rather vague. It might be nice to
have a list of common trouble areas and then an "Other: ____________"
type field for bugs that aren't obvious.

-- 
Keith M Wesolowski			wesolows@chem.unr.edu
University of Nevada			http://www.chem.unr.edu
Chemistry Department Systems and Network Administrator

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Klaus Naumann]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Keith M Wesolowski wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 10:58:58AM +0200, Klaus Naumann wrote:
> > Well, I thought about that. The point is, that I don't know yet if the
> > bugtracker doesn't get too inflexible if we use predefined
> > values. WHat do you think ?
> 
> The trouble is, for some bugs, by the time you've figured out what the
> bug belongs to, you're 90% of the way to having fixed it and there's
> usually no point to putting it into the bug tracker. At the same time,
> using something like "toolchain" is rather vague. It might be nice to
> have a list of common trouble areas and then an "Other: ____________"
> type field for bugs that aren't obvious.

The real point is that the "Belongs to" field is not mandatory.
If you don't know where the problem is leave it blank.
It was intented to give a hint where a problem might be.
For example when you're seeing a kernel panic it's obvious,
that this belongs to the kernel. If you're seeing a bus error
and don't know what it might be leave it open.

Having predefined values and a Other: possebility is rather complicated
to implement and is a overkill I'd say.

	CU, Klaus

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Re: Bug Tracker online

[Ralf Baechle]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:21:07PM +0200, Karel van Houten wrote:

> I think it is really useful to know what configurations / kernel versions
> and hardware other people have. I have published the bootlogs of
> my DECStations on my website. 
> 
> By the way, you could update your mips-linux webpages in respect to
> DECStations from my info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel
> 
> I'm currently running kernel 2.4.0-test9, and I'm in the process
> of rebuilding RedHat 6.1 packages to get a minimal distribution ready.

Sorry to beat you, I got ~60% packages of distribution which is a mix
between 6.2 and 7.0 building :-)  I however only have big endian binaries.

  Ralf

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Karel van Houten]

Ralf wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:21:07PM +0200, Karel van Houten wrote:
> 
> > I'm currently running kernel 2.4.0-test9, and I'm in the process
> > of rebuilding RedHat 6.1 packages to get a minimal distribution ready.
> 
> Sorry to beat you, I got ~60% packages of distribution which is a mix
> between 6.2 and 7.0 building :-)  I however only have big endian binaries.
> 

Indeed, I'm building Little endian binaries, especially for DECStation.
I hope to make them available on oss, if space permits.

-- 
Karel van Houten

----------------------------------------------------------
The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better."
I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
----------------------------------------------------------

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Karel van Houten]

Ralf wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:21:07PM +0200, Karel van Houten wrote:
> 
> > I'm currently running kernel 2.4.0-test9, and I'm in the process
> > of rebuilding RedHat 6.1 packages to get a minimal distribution ready.
> 
> Sorry to beat you, I got ~60% packages of distribution which is a mix
> between 6.2 and 7.0 building :-)  I however only have big endian binaries.
> 

Indeed, I'm building Little endian binaries, especially for DECStation.
I hope to make them available on oss, if space permits.

-- 
Karel van Houten

----------------------------------------------------------
The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better."
I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
----------------------------------------------------------

Re: Bug Tracker online

[Florian Lohoff]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 07:08:40PM +0200, Karel van Houten wrote:
> Ralf wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:21:07PM +0200, Karel van Houten wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm currently running kernel 2.4.0-test9, and I'm in the process
> > > of rebuilding RedHat 6.1 packages to get a minimal distribution ready.
> > 
> > Sorry to beat you, I got ~60% packages of distribution which is a mix
> > between 6.2 and 7.0 building :-)  I however only have big endian binaries.
> > 
> 
> Indeed, I'm building Little endian binaries, especially for DECStation.
> I hope to make them available on oss, if space permits.
> 

I would also be happy to mirror them to source.rfc822.org aka
ftp.rfc822.org

Flo
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      "Write only memory - Oops. Time for my medication again ..."

r8000

[nick]

Hi, I've managed to aquire a indigo2 R8k.  Can anyone tell me about
running linux on it?
	Thanks
		Nick

r8000

[nick]

Hi, I've managed to aquire a indigo2 R8k.  Can anyone tell me about
running linux on it?
	Thanks
		Nick

Re: r8000

[Florian Lohoff]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 10:44:49AM -0400, nick@snowman.net wrote:
> Hi, I've managed to aquire a indigo2 R8k.  Can anyone tell me about
> running linux on it?

No support - Noone is working on it - Rare documentation :)

I have one myself but i havent looked into it deeper ...

Flo
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