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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: David Balazic <david.balazic@uni-mb.si>,
	torvalds@transmeta.com,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: scsi vs ide performance on fsync's
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:51:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010307195152.C4653@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3AA53DC0.C6E2F308@uni-mb.si> <20010306213720.U2803@suse.de> <20010307135135.B3715@redhat.com> <20010307151241.E526@suse.de> <20010307150556.L7453@redhat.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010307150556.L7453@redhat.com>; from sct@redhat.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 03:05:56PM +0000

On Wed, Mar 07 2001, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote:
> > Yep, it's much harder than it seems. Especially because for the barrier
> > to be really useful, having inter-request dependencies becomes a
> > requirement. So you can say something like 'flush X and Y, but don't
> > flush Y before X is done'.
> 
> Yes.  Fortunately, the simplest possible barrier is just a matter of
> marking a request as non-reorderable, and then making sure that you
> both flush the elevator queue before servicing that request, and defer
> any subsequent requests until the barrier request has been satisfied.
> One it has gone through, you can let through the deferred requests (in
> order, up to the point at which you encounter another barrier).

The above should have been inter-queue dependencies. For one queue
it's not a big issue, you basically described the whole sequence
above. Either sequence it as zero for a non-empty queue and make
sure the low level driver orders or flushes, or just hand it directly
to the device.

My bigger concern is when the journalled fs has a log on a different
queue.

> Only if the queue is empty can you give a barrier request directly to
> the driver.  The special optimisation you can do in this case with
> SCSI is to continue to allow new requests through even before the
> barrier has completed if the disk supports ordered queue tags.  

Yep, IDE will have to pay the price of a flush.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-07 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-06 19:42 scsi vs ide performance on fsync's David Balazic
2001-03-06 20:37 ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 13:51   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 14:12     ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 15:05       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 18:51         ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2001-03-07 19:10           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 20:15             ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 20:56               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 20:59                 ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-08 15:45                 ` Chris Mason
     [not found] <1epyyz1.etswlv1kmicnqM%smurf@noris.de>
2001-03-09  6:59 ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-03-09 11:51   ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-09 14:26     ` Matthias Urlichs
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-07 12:47 David Balazic
2001-03-06 17:14 David Balazic
2001-03-06 17:46 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-03-06 18:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 23:27   ` Mark Hahn
2001-03-06  5:27 Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-06  5:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  7:12   ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06 12:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-03-06 18:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-07 13:48         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 14:13           ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-12 18:50           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06 13:50     ` Mike Black
2001-03-06 16:02       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-07 18:27         ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-07 18:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-08 11:06             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-06 16:57       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06  6:43 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 13:03   ` dean gaudet
2001-03-06 13:15     ` dean gaudet
2001-03-06 13:45     ` Jonathan Morton
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103021033190.6176-200000@srv2.ecropolis.com>
     [not found] ` <054201c0a33d$55ee5870$e1de11cc@csihq.com>
2001-03-04 20:10   ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-04 21:28     ` Ishikawa
2001-03-06  0:11     ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-02 17:42 Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-02 18:39 ` Steve Lord
2001-03-02 19:17   ` Chris Mason
2001-03-02 19:25     ` Steve Lord
2001-03-02 19:27       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-02 19:38       ` Chris Mason
2001-03-02 19:41         ` Steve Lord
2001-03-05 13:23         ` Andi Kleen
2001-03-02 19:25     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-03  1:55     ` Dan Hollis
2001-03-02 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  2:13   ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-06  2:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  3:30     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06  4:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  7:03       ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06  8:24       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 12:22         ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-06 14:08         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-07 16:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-06 19:41         ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-07  5:25         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-07  6:58           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-09 11:39       ` Jonathan Morton

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