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From: Ralf Baechle <ralf@oss.sgi.com>
To: "Kevin D. Kissell" <kevink@mips.com>
Cc: <linux-mips@oss.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Can't build a CONFIG_CPU_NEVADA kernel
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:04:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010316150423.A3529@bacchus.dhis.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00fc01c0acd3$c881ca80$0deca8c0@Ulysses>; from kevink@mips.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:11:47PM +0100

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:11:47PM +0100, Kevin D. Kissell wrote:

> > Don't think of the r8000; the kernel only uses the -mcpu=r8000 option
> > because the Nevada CPUs have _somewhat_ similar scheduling properties
> > to the R8000.  This of it as an independant ISA expension which can
> > be used with an arbitrary MIPS processor - even a R3000 processor.
> 
> In the interests of historical accuracy and general pedantry,
> let me point out that -mcpu=r8000 is in effect a rather klugy
> way of saying "-mips4" to compilers that predate official
> MIPS IV ISA support.  The R8000 was the first MIPS IV
> CPU, followed by the R10000 and the R5000.  The "Nevada"
> processors added three implementation specific instructions
> to the MIPS IV ISA: MAD, MADU, and MUL (targeted multiply).
> "Correct" usage would be to enable those three instructions
> with a "-mcpu=nevada", or better still, "-mcpu=r5200" (for 
> consistency), and to enable the rest of the MIPS IV ISA 
> with "-mips4" instead of the archaic r8000 hack.

Your historic facts may be right but the GCC fact aren't.  -mcpu=xxx tell
GCC to schedule instructions for a certain processor xxx.  This does not
enable the full use of it's instruction set.  Back in time when I choose
these options I choose because GCC didn't know -mcpu=r5000 but the R8000
was supported and it was the closest fit.  Gcc 1.1.2 knows this option
so I just changed all instances of -mcpu=r8000 into -mcpu=r5000.

> Note, furthermore, that -mmad needs to be handled with care: 
> Prior to MIPS standardizing the instruction as part of 
> MIPS32, there were four or five subtly (or not so subltly) 
> different definitions of integer multiply-accumulate for MIPS.  
> Most use the same opcode, but even those can differ in side 
> effects (is the rd field interpreted, etc.). A R4650 madd operation
> will probably behave equivalently on a Nevada CPU, 
> but certainly not on a Vr41xx part, for example.

Unfortunately true but there is a reason that QED's manual marks it as an
proprietary extension ...

  Ralf

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From: Ralf Baechle <ralf@oss.sgi.com>
To: "Kevin D. Kissell" <kevink@mips.com>
Cc: linux-mips@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: Can't build a CONFIG_CPU_NEVADA kernel
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:04:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010316150423.A3529@bacchus.dhis.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20010316140423.2kQnGg66Gl6ZPcovhVglPdU6rrbviU3Ve7a3EfyDDqg@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00fc01c0acd3$c881ca80$0deca8c0@Ulysses>; from kevink@mips.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:11:47PM +0100

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:11:47PM +0100, Kevin D. Kissell wrote:

> > Don't think of the r8000; the kernel only uses the -mcpu=r8000 option
> > because the Nevada CPUs have _somewhat_ similar scheduling properties
> > to the R8000.  This of it as an independant ISA expension which can
> > be used with an arbitrary MIPS processor - even a R3000 processor.
> 
> In the interests of historical accuracy and general pedantry,
> let me point out that -mcpu=r8000 is in effect a rather klugy
> way of saying "-mips4" to compilers that predate official
> MIPS IV ISA support.  The R8000 was the first MIPS IV
> CPU, followed by the R10000 and the R5000.  The "Nevada"
> processors added three implementation specific instructions
> to the MIPS IV ISA: MAD, MADU, and MUL (targeted multiply).
> "Correct" usage would be to enable those three instructions
> with a "-mcpu=nevada", or better still, "-mcpu=r5200" (for 
> consistency), and to enable the rest of the MIPS IV ISA 
> with "-mips4" instead of the archaic r8000 hack.

Your historic facts may be right but the GCC fact aren't.  -mcpu=xxx tell
GCC to schedule instructions for a certain processor xxx.  This does not
enable the full use of it's instruction set.  Back in time when I choose
these options I choose because GCC didn't know -mcpu=r5000 but the R8000
was supported and it was the closest fit.  Gcc 1.1.2 knows this option
so I just changed all instances of -mcpu=r8000 into -mcpu=r5000.

> Note, furthermore, that -mmad needs to be handled with care: 
> Prior to MIPS standardizing the instruction as part of 
> MIPS32, there were four or five subtly (or not so subltly) 
> different definitions of integer multiply-accumulate for MIPS.  
> Most use the same opcode, but even those can differ in side 
> effects (is the rd field interpreted, etc.). A R4650 madd operation
> will probably behave equivalently on a Nevada CPU, 
> but certainly not on a Vr41xx part, for example.

Unfortunately true but there is a reason that QED's manual marks it as an
proprietary extension ...

  Ralf

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-03-16 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-14 13:46 Can't build a CONFIG_CPU_NEVADA kernel Daniel Jacobowitz
2001-03-14 18:59 ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-14 19:05   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2001-03-14 19:20     ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-14 19:48       ` Jun Sun
2001-03-14 20:02         ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-14 20:56       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2001-03-14 22:11       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-14 22:11         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-14 22:47         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-14 22:47           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-15  1:50           ` Pete Popov
2001-03-15  8:01             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-15  8:01               ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-16 14:04         ` Ralf Baechle [this message]
2001-03-16 14:04           ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-16 18:02           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2001-03-16 18:16             ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-16 18:46           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-16 18:46             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2001-03-16 19:35             ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-16 19:35               ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-16 15:34         ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-16 15:34           ` Ralf Baechle

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