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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: David Emory Watson <demoryw@pacbell.net>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
	aia21@cam.ac.uk, stoffel@casc.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..."
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:53:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010430025335.A5189@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104300145050.4113-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <988611138.21363.1.camel@shade>
In-Reply-To: <988611138.21363.1.camel@shade>; from demoryw@pacbell.net on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:12:18PM -0700

David Emory Watson <demoryw@pacbell.net>:
> Oh.  Well in hindsight, I guess your are right.  After all I wouldn't
> want to be a luser, much less associated with AOL.  Gosh  I never
> realized.  Maybe I just didn't read the right standards manual when I
> started using the internet.  Where did you learn all of this?  No,
> nevermind I don't care.  I'm sorry for contributing to this silly flame
> war.

Time for me to put on my hacker-folklorist hat...

Actually, Al is sort of half-right here.  There used to be a 4-lines-or-less
convention on USENET, back in the days when bandwidth was expensive.  I
adhered to it then, because it mattered.

Nowadays it doesn't -- at least not at that level.  Huge sigs with
embedded ASCII graphics and the like are still best avoided, but merely
because they're tasteless and distracting.

I don't think I've heard anyone invoke the 4-line rule since about
1992, though.  I didn't start generating short random quotes into my sig
until about 1996, well after the "standard" was effectively dead.

Despite the demise of the 4-line standard, I have a pretty definite
impression that the average size of sigs actually dropped in the 1990s.
The main thing that formerly inflated a lot of them was the need to
list multiple bang-path addresses and other forms of contact info.
Reliable @-addressing pretty much eliminated that pressure.

Even back in its day this "rule" was frequently abused as a socially
acceptable way to attack people whose opinions or style one disliked.
This is doubtless one reason it failed to survive the bandwidth boom.

Hmmm.  Maybe this should be a Jargon File entry...
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

The politician attempts to remedy the evil by increasing the very thing
that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder.
	-- Frederick Bastiat

  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-30  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-27 23:35 CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..." Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-29 15:12 ` John Stoffel
2001-04-29 22:35   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-29 22:43     ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 16:28     ` John Stoffel
2001-04-30 17:39       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 19:16         ` Peter Samuelson
2001-04-30 19:25           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-01  9:23             ` Requirement of make oldconfig [was: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka ...] Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-05-01 16:31               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-01 21:35                 ` Olivier Galibert
2001-05-01 22:26                   ` Tom Rini
2001-05-02 13:32           ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-05-02 17:49             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-02 20:12               ` John Stoffel
2001-05-03  7:04                 ` Hierarchy doesn't solve the problem Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03  7:34                   ` Urban Widmark
2001-05-03  7:46                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 14:33                       ` Juan Quintela
2001-05-03 16:16                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 22:20                       ` Mike Castle
2001-05-03 12:32                 ` Requirement of make oldconfig [was: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka ...] Horst von Brand
2001-05-03 12:47                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 13:24                     ` Horst von Brand
2001-05-03 14:40                       ` Juan Quintela
2001-05-03 16:07                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 16:04                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 17:36                     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-30  1:36   ` CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..." Anton Altaparmakov
2001-04-30  1:41     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30  2:13       ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-04-30  2:24       ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30  5:41         ` David Emory Watson
2001-04-30  5:50           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30  6:12             ` David Emory Watson
2001-04-30  6:53               ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-04-30  7:11                 ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-04-30  7:17                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30 14:25                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-04-30 15:54                   ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 10:57                 ` John Cowan
2001-04-30 13:30               ` David Woodhouse
2001-04-30 13:29             ` David Woodhouse
2001-04-30  7:05         ` volodya
2001-04-30  7:23           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30  7:40             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30  9:09               ` [Moving rapidly offtopic] " Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-04-30 16:16               ` nick
2001-04-30 17:12                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 17:20                   ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-04-30 17:25                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-30 19:44                   ` [kbuild-devel] " Gerhard Mack
2001-04-30 19:47                     ` nick
2001-04-30  3:26       ` volodya
2001-04-30  7:52     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-04-30  8:03       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 16:17         ` volodya
2001-04-30  8:13       ` Anton Altaparmakov
     [not found] ` <15084.12830.973535.153706@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2001-04-29 22:41   ` Eric S. Raymond

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