[linux-lvm] LVM metadata corruption?

[linux-lvm] LVM metadata corruption?

[Ragnar Kjørstad]

Hi

We had a LVM problem that we believe was caused by corrupted
LVM-metadata. Can anyone confirm if this is a likely explanation?

1. Installed LVM 
2. Created a single vg on a single device with a single lv
3. Used without problems for a while
4. Added a new device
5. Add the device to the vg, extend the lv and the filesystem
6. We experienced scsi-problems at this time.
7. Fixed scsi termination

After a reboot, mounting the filesystem(xfs) oopsed.

lvdisplay -v segfaulted, but there was no backtrace.

We recreated the lvm vg and lv, and the filesytem - everything worked
fine.


My theory is that the vgextend or lvextend corrupted the lvm-metadata
because of the scsi-termination problem. LVM doesn't update the metadata
using a transactional log, does it? so if a write failed, the data will
become corrupted? (yes, I know a copy is saved in the /etc/lvm files)

Unfortenately we needed the system back online right away, so the
metadata is no gone. No way of debugging it futher.


Thank you.



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Ragnar Kjorstad
Big Storage

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM metadata corruption?

[Ragnar Kjørstad]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 02:23:07AM +0200, Ragnar Kj�rstad wrote:
> Hi
> 
> We had a LVM problem that we believe was caused by corrupted
> LVM-metadata. Can anyone confirm if this is a likely explanation?

Oh, I forgot to mention LVM-version ++.

Used "lvm-0.9.1_beta7-2.4.5" patch, except one chunk that failed
becaused it is also included in XFS-patch.

Binary utilities, 0.9.1_beta7.


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Ragnar Kjorstad
Big Storage

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM metadata corruption?

[Heinz Mauelshagen]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 02:23:07AM +0200, Ragnar Kj?rstad wrote:
> Hi
> 
> We had a LVM problem that we believe was caused by corrupted
> LVM-metadata. Can anyone confirm if this is a likely explanation?
> 
> 1. Installed LVM 
> 2. Created a single vg on a single device with a single lv
> 3. Used without problems for a while
> 4. Added a new device
> 5. Add the device to the vg, extend the lv and the filesystem
> 6. We experienced scsi-problems at this time.
> 7. Fixed scsi termination
> 
> After a reboot, mounting the filesystem(xfs) oopsed.
> 
> lvdisplay -v segfaulted, but there was no backtrace.
> 
> We recreated the lvm vg and lv, and the filesytem - everything worked
> fine.
> 
> 
> My theory is that the vgextend or lvextend corrupted the lvm-metadata
> because of the scsi-termination problem. LVM doesn't update the metadata
> using a transactional log, does it?

Ragnar,
no it doesn't so far.
That's a planned enhgancement for post 1.0.

> so if a write failed, the data will
> become corrupted? (yes, I know a copy is saved in the /etc/lvm files)

Yep, but this corruption could only take place, because the hardware
wasn't able to spot the data corruption.

With that kind of silent data corruption even transaction oriented models
will have problems while aiming to make nonatomic I/Os behave atomic.
They can't garantee either that no silent data corruption took place.

In order to avoid such trouble after changing the SCSI HW configurations you
could to write data to free areas on the disks and verify it multiple times
while imposing read load to the disks.
SCSI is pushable over the edge far too easy :-(

Regards,
Heinz    -- The LVM Guy --
 
> 
> Unfortenately we needed the system back online right away, so the
> metadata is no gone. No way of debugging it futher.
> 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ragnar Kjorstad
> Big Storage
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