From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Legacy Fishtank <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>,
Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>,
"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:08:40 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011228170840.A20254@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16K1fn-0001Ky-00@the-village.bc.nu> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112281400460.23445-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112281400460.23445-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 02:06:25PM -0800
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>:
> So the config file format could be something that includes the docs, and
> you could do something like
>
> find . -name '*.cf' -exec grep '^+' {} \; > Configure.help
>
> for old tools, and nw tools would just automatically get the docs from the
> same place they get the config info.
OK. Background, for anyone who doesn't know this: the equivalent of
Configure.help in CML2 is the symbols.cml file. It's actually generated
fat CML2 installation time from Configure.help.
Here's what a sample entry looks like in Configure.help form:
Support the foo feature
CONFIG_FOO
This is a sample help entry.
Here's the same entry in CML2 format:
FOO "Support the foo feature" text
This is a sample help entry.
.
Now. It would be dead easy to split symbols.cml into bunch of little
files and distribute them through the source tree. It would be just as
easy to write a script to reassemble Configure.help, but there won't be
any reason to do it. Once CML2 goes in, nothing will use Configure.help
> The current Configure.help is 25k _lines_, and over a megabyte in size. I
> would never consider that good taste in programming, why should I consider
> it good in documentation?
Um...because the cases aren't parallel?
What makes megabyte-large blocks of code bad is that they tend to be
tangled messes with unmaintainable reference and control structures.
Configure.help isn't; the entries are atoms that don't interact with
each other.
--
<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be
to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.
-- T.S. Eliot
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-12-28 22:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-12-28 0:24 State of the new config & build system Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 0:54 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28 0:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 1:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:35 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:37 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:41 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:47 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 2:01 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 14:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 14:16 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 17:14 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:39 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 1:44 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 4:09 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-30 3:34 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-30 4:24 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 14:37 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-29 17:11 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:17 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:54 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 9:24 ` Anton Blanchard
2001-12-29 16:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-01 4:03 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-01-01 8:26 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-06 8:55 ` [kbuild-devel] " Martin Mares
2002-01-06 22:19 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-09 17:16 ` Martin Mares
2002-01-01 8:55 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 22:31 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 14:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:56 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 21:16 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:44 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-30 12:05 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-29 1:27 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 1:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 1:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 2:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 4:06 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-29 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29 1:26 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 3:58 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 4:21 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29 4:44 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 4:52 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-29 11:10 ` PORTUGUês EM?? Astinus
2001-12-29 6:59 ` State of the new config & build system Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29 7:42 ` Miles Lane
2001-12-29 8:02 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29 8:11 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29 7:41 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 8:13 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-29 9:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 10:46 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-03 20:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 20:35 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 20:46 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 21:30 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 21:50 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 22:11 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 22:44 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 1:49 ` Andreas Bombe
2002-01-04 2:31 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 21:40 ` Andreas Bombe
2001-12-28 22:51 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 2:54 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 12:43 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 1:22 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28 1:36 ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-28 1:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 1:38 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:30 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 9:26 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 9:42 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 16:34 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:01 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 20:38 ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-29 0:50 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 0:55 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 18:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 22:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-12-28 22:29 ` [kbuild-devel] " Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 22:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 9:18 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-12-31 22:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 22:55 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-01 1:21 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 19:08 ` Riley Williams
2001-12-28 19:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-28 20:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 13:58 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-30 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-30 20:53 ` Hartmut Holz
2001-12-30 20:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-01-01 4:29 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 23:32 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-28 23:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 11:42 ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Henningsen
2001-12-31 8:24 ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-31 6:50 ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-28 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 21:24 ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-29 22:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 23:12 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 0:22 ` Russell King
2001-12-30 0:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 5:39 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-30 13:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 17:14 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-30 17:32 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 17:44 ` Russell King
2001-12-28 20:39 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:41 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 21:19 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 21:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:05 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29 0:59 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29 3:21 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 23:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 23:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 23:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:12 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-29 13:01 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-28 22:47 ` Martin Dalecki
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20011228170840.A20254@thyrsus.com \
--to=esr@thyrsus.com \
--cc=alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk \
--cc=davej@suse.de \
--cc=esr@snark.thyrsus.com \
--cc=garzik@havoc.gtf.org \
--cc=kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=marcelo@conectiva.com.br \
--cc=torvalds@transmeta.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.