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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Momchil Velikov <velco@fadata.bg>,
	John Stoffel <stoffel@casc.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Radix-tree pagecache for 2.5
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:02:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020131190202.I1309@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020131153607.C1309@athlon.random> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201310942210.1537-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201310942210.1537-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 09:46:52AM -0800

On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 09:46:52AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> >
> > but with the radix tree (please correct me if I'm wrong) the height will
> > increase eventually, no matter what (so it won't be an effective O(1)
> > like the hashtable provides in real life, not the worst case, the common
> > case). With the hashtable the height won't increase instead.
> 
> No.
> 
> The radix tree is basically O(1), because the maximum depth of a 7-bit
> radix tree is just 5. The index is only a 32-bit number.

then it will break on archs with more ram than 1<<(32+PAGE_CACHE_SHIFT).

Also there must be some significant memory overhead that can be
triggered with a certain layout of pages, in some configuration it
should take much more ram than the hashtable if I understood well how it
works.

Also its O(1) may be slower than the O(N) of the hashtable in the 99% of
the cases.

> 
> We could, in fact, make all page caches use a fixed-depth tree, which is
> clearly O(1). But the radix tree is slightly faster and tends to use less
> memory under common loads, so..
> 
> Remember: you must NOT ignore the constant part of a "O(x)" equation.
> Hashes tend to be effectively O(1) under most loads, but they have cache
> costs, and they have scalability costs that a radix tree doesn't have.

the scalability cost I obviously agree :) (however on some workload with
all tasks on the same inode, the scalability cost remains the same).

Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-31 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-29 15:54 [PATCH] Radix-tree pagecache for 2.5 Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:40   ` David S. Miller
2002-01-29 22:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:01       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 23:32         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 23:35           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30  3:00             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 23:44           ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01  0:34             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-01 11:04               ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 11:33                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-02 18:57                 ` Richard Henderson
2002-02-02 21:15                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 23:02   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 23:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:45       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-30 21:25       ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 22:05         ` John Stoffel
2002-01-30 22:15           ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31  2:33             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 13:58               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 14:36                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 15:32                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 16:39                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:19                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:21                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 17:50                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 18:02                     ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2002-01-31 18:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 18:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 18:49                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 19:09                             ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 19:26                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-31 21:12                             ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 19:14                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 19:23                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 21:34                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 23:12                               ` Anton Blanchard
2002-01-31 23:55                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01  0:01                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-02-16 16:20                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01  3:56                                   ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01  6:32                                 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 18:38                                   ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01  9:04                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01  7:59                                   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 10:29                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01  9:01                                       ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01  9:10                                         ` David S. Miller
2002-02-01  9:07                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-02-01  9:13                                         ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 17:06                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-01 18:29                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-01 18:44                                           ` arjan
2002-02-01 19:47                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-02 15:39                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-05 14:21                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-05 18:45                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-05 20:30                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2002-02-05 20:46                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06  9:07                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-05  9:19                                           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2002-02-01 23:49                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 14:44                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01 14:59                                   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 17:03                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 15:26                                       ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 23:45                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 10:41             ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-31 14:00               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 14:21               ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 22:22           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-30  3:02     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 23:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-02 19:23 rwhron
2002-02-03 14:31 ` chris
2002-02-03 23:33 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-04  3:59   ` rwhron
2002-02-06  2:04   ` rwhron
2002-02-06 11:44     ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 21:34 rwhron
2002-02-06 21:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 22:06   ` rwhron
2002-02-07 11:32   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 11:32   ` Daniel Phillips

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