From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>, Tom Lord <lord@regexps.com>,
jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:33:08 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020208153307.GA122@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202052328470.32146-100000@ash.penguinppc.org> <20020207165035.GA28384@ravel.coda.cs.cmu.edu> <200202072306.PAA08272@morrowfield.home> <20020207132558.D27932@work.bitmover.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020207132558.D27932@work.bitmover.com>
Hi!
> Before you yell at me, remember that source management is not the same
> as the kernel. Everyone has to use the kernel, the computer doesn't work
> without it. Take that set of people and remove everyone who doesn't use
> source management. Out of a potential space of billions of people, you
> are left with a market of about .5 - 2 million, world wide. And there
> are 300 SCM systems fighting over that space. The top 3 have 50% of
> the
I know less than 10 such systems, not 300. And now arch is one of
them.
> space. So 297 systems fighting over maybe a million users. That's 3300
> users per system. OK, so if each of those people were willing to pay
> $500 for arch support/whatever, that's a total of 1.6 million dollars.
> Which isn't remotely close enough to get the job done. And don't forget
> that those people have to volunteer that money, it can't be pried out
> of them.
>
> It's just math. Projects that aren't universally used have a much harder
> time getting funding than projects that everyone uses. It doesn't matter
> what the value is to you, it matters what the costs are to the developers.
> This is why microsoft is so rich, they build apps that the masses use.
> It's also why clearcase+clearquest is $8000/seat. It's not because
> that's what the value is, it's because that's what the cost has to be
> or Rational starts to die.
>
> So before you start talking about support contracts, and grants, and
> whatever, realize that the pool of people interested in paying those
> dollars is very small. Are _you_ going to send Tom $500?
What was the point of this mail?
Are you concerned that arch is free software and bk is not?
arch _has_ chance; Tom is probably not going to make million dollars,
but if someone has a choice between using non-free software and arch,
maybe he will just spend his time improving arch.
Pavel
--
(about SSSCA) "I don't say this lightly. However, I really think that the U.S.
no longer is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy." --hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-08 21:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-02-06 7:33 linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Jeramy B. Smith
2002-02-06 15:15 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-07 16:50 ` Jan Harkes
2002-02-07 23:06 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-08 1:02 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23 ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-02-07 21:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 21:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08 2:32 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-08 15:33 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2002-02-08 21:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11 8:20 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-11 15:00 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11 20:25 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-11 22:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-12 5:17 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12 3:59 ` Theodore Tso
2002-02-12 6:19 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-02-12 20:28 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12 22:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13 0:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 9:41 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-13 10:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-12 11:01 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-12 11:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 18:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-10 8:36 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 19:41 ` Itai Nahshon
2002-03-10 20:19 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:16 ` Rob Turk
2002-03-10 21:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 21:23 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11 8:22 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:28 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 11:04 ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11 9:46 ` Harald Arnesen
2002-03-10 21:37 ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11 5:48 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 5:52 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 6:15 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 6:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 6:42 ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11 13:13 ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 15:51 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:08 ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 16:56 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 22:51 ` James Antill
2002-03-12 7:58 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-12 22:37 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 8:09 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-13 15:10 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 9:39 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-03-13 14:37 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 16:26 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-13 16:30 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 19:18 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14 9:39 ` filesystem transactions (was Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Tom Lord
2002-03-14 8:26 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-11 14:05 ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Luigi Genoni
2002-03-11 10:46 ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11 11:32 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 15:29 ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 16:08 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:25 ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 17:08 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 17:16 ` Nikita Danilov
2002-03-11 18:22 ` VMS File versions (was RE: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Robert Pfister
2002-03-11 18:41 ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Steven Cole
2002-03-11 19:15 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 21:33 ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 21:54 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:01 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:19 ` Steven Cole
2002-03-12 0:14 ` Robert Pfister
2002-03-12 7:54 ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing (If you don't like the closed source nature of Bitkeeper, stop your whining and help out with reiserfs.) Hans Reiser
2002-03-12 1:28 ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Mark H. Wood
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-12 18:08 Thunder from the hill
2002-02-06 3:37 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 6:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-06 7:50 ` Reid Hekman
2002-02-06 8:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 19:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-02-06 19:45 ` Tom Rini
2002-02-06 20:44 ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-06 20:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:25 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-06 15:17 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-06 15:32 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 16:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:19 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-06 17:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 19:58 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 23:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 23:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 8:07 ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-07 16:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-07 17:26 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 19:46 ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-08 0:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-08 5:28 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08 6:06 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08 6:14 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08 6:49 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-07 10:50 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06 23:06 ` Larry McVoy
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