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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <Geert.Uytterhoeven@sonycom.com>,
	Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>, James Antill <james@and.org>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Tom Lord <lord@regexps.com>,
	jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu,
	Linux Kernel Development <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:26:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020313082647.Y23966@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020312223738.GB29832@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203131037240.17582-100000@vervain.sonytel.be> <20020313143720.GA32244@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020313143720.GA32244@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net>; from andrew@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 09:37:20AM -0500

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 09:37:20AM -0500, Andrew Pimlott wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:39:28AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Andrew Pimlott wrote:
> > > This is misleading--Clearcase stores versions on top a normal
> > > filesystem (like most other RCS's), and all manipulation is entirely
> >                                                               ^^^^^^^^
> > > in user-space (over the network to server processes).  There only
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > filesystem magic is that there are directories you cannot list (plus
> > > permission semantics are a little funny).
> > 
> > So what's that ClearCase file system driver doing in kernel space?
> 
> Just providing a convenient view on the repository.  The only write
> operation you can do through the filesystem is write to the checked
> out version.  Checkin, checkout, branch, label, create new
> file/directory, rename, link, chmod, etc are all user-space.
> 
> Also, you can use ClearCase without the filesystem (snapshot view)
> and get all the same functionality.

Are you sure about that?  Snapshots are just the cleartext files.  The
set of operations you can do with a disconnected snapshot is extremely
limited, last I checked all you could do was edit the files.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-13 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-06  7:33 linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Jeramy B. Smith
2002-02-06 15:15 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-07 16:50 ` Jan Harkes
2002-02-07 23:06   ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-08  1:02       ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23     ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-02-07 21:28       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 21:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08  2:32       ` Tom Lord
2002-02-08 15:33       ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-08 21:35         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11  8:20       ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-11 15:00         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11 20:25           ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-11 22:14           ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-12  5:17             ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12  3:59               ` Theodore Tso
2002-02-12  6:19                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-02-12 20:28                 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12 22:54                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13  0:52                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13  9:41                     ` Tom Lord
2002-02-13 10:35                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-12 11:01           ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-12 11:15             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 18:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-10  8:36       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 19:41         ` Itai Nahshon
2002-03-10 20:19           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:16             ` Rob Turk
2002-03-10 21:34               ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 21:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11  8:22                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:28                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 11:04                   ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11  9:46                 ` Harald Arnesen
2002-03-10 21:37             ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11  5:48               ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  5:52                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  6:15                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  6:37                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  6:42                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11 13:13                     ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 15:51                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:08                         ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 16:56                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 22:51                     ` James Antill
2002-03-12  7:58                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-12 22:37                         ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  8:09                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-13 15:10                             ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  9:39                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-03-13 14:37                             ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 16:26                               ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2002-03-13 16:30                                 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 19:18                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14  9:39                                     ` filesystem transactions (was Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Tom Lord
2002-03-14  8:26                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14 10:31                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-11 14:05             ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Luigi Genoni
2002-03-11 10:46           ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11 11:32             ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 15:29               ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 16:08                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:25                   ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 17:08                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 17:16                       ` Nikita Danilov
2002-03-11 18:22                     ` VMS File versions (was RE: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Robert Pfister
2002-03-11 18:41                     ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Steven Cole
2002-03-11 19:15                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 21:33                         ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 21:54                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:01                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:19                             ` Steven Cole
2002-03-12  0:14                               ` Robert Pfister
2002-03-12  7:54                           ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing (If you don't like the closed source nature of Bitkeeper, stop your whining and help out with reiserfs.) Hans Reiser
2002-03-12  1:28                       ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Mark H. Wood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-12 18:08 Thunder from the hill
2002-02-06  3:37 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06  6:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-06  7:50   ` Reid Hekman
2002-02-06  8:03     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 19:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-02-06 19:45         ` Tom Rini
2002-02-06 20:44           ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-06 20:35         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:25           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-06 15:17 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-06 15:32   ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 16:54   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:19   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-06 17:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 17:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 19:58     ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 23:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 23:54         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07  8:07         ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-07 16:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-07 17:26             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 19:46               ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-08  0:29                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-08  5:28               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:06                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08  6:14                   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:49                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-07 10:50         ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06 23:06   ` Larry McVoy

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