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From: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] only irq-safe atomic ops
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 04:38:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020223043815.B29874@hq.fsmlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C773C02.93C7753E@zip.com.au>, <1014444810.1003.53.camel@phantasy> <3C773C02.93C7753E@zip.com.au> <1014449389.1003.149.camel@phantasy> <3C774AC8.5E0848A2@zip.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <3C774AC8.5E0848A2@zip.com.au>; from akpm@zip.com.au on Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 11:54:48PM -0800

On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 11:54:48PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Robert Love wrote:
> > Thinking about it, you are probably going to be doing this:
> > 
> >         ++counter[smp_processor_id()];
> > 
> > and that is not preempt-safe since the whole operation certainly is not
> > atomic.  The current CPU could change between calculating it and
> > referencing the array.
> 
> yup.  It'd probably work - the compiler should calculate the address and
> do a non-buslocked but IRQ-atomic increment on it.  But no way can we
> rely on that happening.
> 
> >  But, that wouldn't matter as long as you only
> > cared about the sum of the counters.
> 
> If the compiler produced code equivalent to
> 
> 	counter[smp_processor_id()] = counter[smp_processor_id()] + 1;
> 
> then the counter would get trashed - a context switch could cause CPUB
> to write CPUA's counter (+1) onto CPUB's counter.  It's quite possibly
> illegal for the compiler to evaluate the array subscript twice in this
> manner.  Dunno.
> 
> If the compiler produced code equivalent to:
> 
> 	const int cpu = smp_processor_id();
> 	counter[cpu] = counter[cpu] + 1;
> 
> (which is much more likely) then a context switch would result
> in CPUB writing CPUA's updated counter onto CPUA's counter.  Which
> will work a lot more often, until CPUA happens to be updating its
> counter at the same time.

So without preemption in the kernel
	maybe 4 instructions: calculate cpuid, inc; all local no cache ping
	code is easy to read and understand.

with preemption in the kernel
	a design problem. a slippery synchronization issue that 
	involves the characteristic preemption error - code that works
	most of the time.




	
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Victor Yodaiken 
Finite State Machine Labs: The RTLinux Company.
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-02-23 11:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-23  6:13 [PATCH] only irq-safe atomic ops Robert Love
2002-02-23  6:51 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23  7:29   ` Robert Love
2002-02-23  7:54     ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23 11:38       ` yodaiken [this message]
2002-02-23 18:20         ` Robert Love
2002-02-23 19:06           ` yodaiken
2002-02-23 21:57             ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-23 22:10               ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23 22:23                 ` yodaiken
2002-02-23 22:40                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23 22:48                     ` yodaiken
2002-02-23 23:13                 ` Robert Love
2002-02-23 23:45                   ` Robert Love
2002-02-23 23:56                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-24  1:05                       ` yodaiken
2002-02-24  1:08                         ` Robert Love
2002-02-23 22:00             ` John Levon
2002-02-23 22:43               ` yodaiken
2002-02-23 20:01       ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-23 20:27         ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23  9:38     ` Russell King
     [not found] <1014444810.1003.53.camel@phantasy.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <3C773C02.93C7753E@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <1014449389.1003.149.camel@phantasy.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <3C774AC8.5E0848A2@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]       ` <3C77F503.1060005@sgi.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]         ` <3C77FB35.16844FE7@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-02-23 20:56           ` Andi Kleen
2002-02-23 21:06             ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23 21:17               ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-23 21:42                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23 22:10                   ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-23 22:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-23 23:07                       ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-23 23:47                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-25 13:02                       ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-25 13:12                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-02-25 13:18                           ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-25 19:42                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-25 19:45                               ` Steve Lord
2002-02-25 20:05                                 ` Andrew Morton

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