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From: Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
Cc: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:19:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020420191940.D856@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020420170907.06e87550@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20020420174422.00ad1390@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> <E16ybpZ-0000V4-00@starship>

On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:05:52PM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote:
 > > The fact that some developers use bitkeeper has no effect on other 
 > > developers.
 > On the contrary, I think it has divided the kernel developers firmly into
 > two classes: the "ins" and the "outs".

Care to back that up with numbers ? Take another look at the statistics
Larry posted after the 2.5.8 merge. ISTR pretty much a 50/50 split of
bk merges and regular GNU patches.  Whilst a large proportion of the gnu
patches were from the largish sync I did, this ratio seems to be holding
up over every release.

 > Oh I don't disagree at all.  Bitkeeper is a big improvement over what
 > existed before.  But it is proprietary.  Which other tool in the tool chain
 > is proprietary?

Film at 11: proprietory tool used in Linux.
Maybe we should back out all those fixes the Stanford people found with
their checker ? Maybe we should back out the x86-64 port seeing as it
was (partly) done with a commercial simulator?

 > > I don't see why there should be any kind of split or anything like that. 
 > > Everything continues as before. It's just that some developers now have a 
 > > much easier life...
 > And some have a more difficult one.  So it goes.

You've not pointed out where this difficulty is yet. Apart from
developers having to wade through this same discussion every third week.

-- 
| Dave Jones.        http://www.codemonkey.org.uk
| SuSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-20 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 328+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-19 15:12 [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:16   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 16:25     ` David Lang
2002-04-20 17:05       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 17:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 16:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 16:33       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:17           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 17:38           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21  2:26           ` Ian Molton
2002-06-18 19:12           ` Greg Stark
2002-04-20 17:19       ` [PATCH] " Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 21:03         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 21:36           ` Skip Ford
2002-04-20 21:40             ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 23:14               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 21:53             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  0:04           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21  0:17             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21  9:22               ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 10:05                 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 10:17                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 11:10                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 16:46                   ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:05                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 17:14                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 13:18                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-21 13:41                   ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 16:50                     ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:18                       ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 15:17                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:32             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:57                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:11                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 12:06               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 16:39                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-23 13:49                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 14:51                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 15:29                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 17:00                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 18:12                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:13                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:17                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:35                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:37                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:04                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 17:01                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 17:06                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:05                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 15:27                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21  2:30           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 15:33             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 15:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:59                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 23:36                   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-26 21:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 16:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 16:45     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:54       ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21  2:36       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 15:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:29   ` Nils Philippsen
2002-04-20 16:56     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  2:38   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 16:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 16:21   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:51     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 17:05       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:32           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 21:02               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 21:07                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:01                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:34                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:54                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  1:41                         ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 15:44                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:52                             ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:59                             ` Russell King
2002-04-20 16:10                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:15                                 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 16:15                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:02                             ` arjan
2002-04-20 22:30                     ` Stelian Pop
2002-04-21  2:46                       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:37                     ` Russell King
2002-04-20 23:15                     ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-04-20 17:05                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:15                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  1:38                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-21 15:32                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 22:00                 ` Stevie O
2002-04-20 22:14                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21  2:48                     ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:31                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:16                 ` Suggestion " CaT
2002-04-21 17:40                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 17:50                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:54                       ` CaT
2002-04-21 18:11                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:20                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:23                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:12                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:23                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:30                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 19:01                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23  6:04                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-22 10:44                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 10:47                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 10:57                                     ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-04-21 22:08                       ` Barry K. Nathan
2002-04-21 17:48                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:59                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:18                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 12:10                         ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:02                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:07                             ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:12                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:06                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-24  9:03                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-24 11:33                               ` Dave Jones
2002-04-21 18:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 18:25                   ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 17:51             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:27               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51                 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 18:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:15         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:19         ` Dave Jones [this message]
2002-04-20 17:58       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-20 18:35         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-20 18:13     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-19 19:43       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 20:04         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  2:53           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  1:46         ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:51           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:26             ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 16:34               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:27     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 16:36       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:45         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:07   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 18:15   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 19:22       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:48     ` Russell King
2002-04-19 19:19       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21  2:57       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  2:56         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21  3:46           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  3:43             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21  4:05             ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Alexander Viro
2002-04-21  1:53               ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 18:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 23:08                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-24  2:23                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21  3:59               ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-21  5:59                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21  4:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 12:53                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 15:44                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 15:50                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 16:10                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 16:21                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:17                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:34                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:53                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:09                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:53                               ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 20:29                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:53                                   ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:05                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:21                                       ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:37                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:45                                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 22:49                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 22:08                                           ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 22:25                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:25                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:30                                         ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 21:33                                       ` Nicholas Harring
2002-04-25 20:53                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-21 23:16                                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-23 20:45                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-25  3:51                                     ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25  3:55                                       ` Olivier Galibert
2002-04-25 12:38                                         ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 13:33                                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-25 14:29                                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-25 15:41                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-22 17:31                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-27 18:59                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:19                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:42                                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:38                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:52                                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-27 20:02                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 17:40                                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 18:08                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 18:47                                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:07                                       ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:27                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 19:41                                           ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:49                                           ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:42                                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 20:03                                           ` tomas szepe
2002-04-28 20:11                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 20:40                                       ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-29  6:55                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-29  6:55                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-28 20:06                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-27 20:40                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 17:10                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:17                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:19                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:37                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:46                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 17:21                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:44                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:48                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:03                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:52                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:05                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:18                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:42                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 21:06                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57                                       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 18:01                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:16                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 18:29                               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:47                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:41                                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-23  4:57                               ` Andre Pang
2002-04-22 11:34                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23  5:56                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21  4:31               ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  4:20                 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:42                   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  4:29                     ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:49                     ` Ben Greear
2002-04-21  6:27                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 11:18                       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 16:28                     ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 12:57                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:14                     ` Impressions of 2.5.8 Matthew D. Pitts
2002-04-21  4:40               ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Skip Ford
2002-04-21  8:31                 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 13:05                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:08                     ` Russell King
2002-04-21 20:53                   ` Skip Ford
2002-04-21 16:35                 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 17:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:23                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:32                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:39                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:47                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:07                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:14                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:24                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:26                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22  6:33               ` Rusty Russell
2002-04-21 15:36             ` [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  9:28           ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 15:53             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 18:11             ` John Alvord
2002-04-21 18:15               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:35         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:09           ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <20020421101731.D10525@work.bitmover.com>
2002-04-21 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:48   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:55     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:07       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:13       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:15         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:26           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:40             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:21         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:29           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:36             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:07                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:39               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:38             ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 18:08     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:15       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:06         ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 14:53           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:03             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:27               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:47                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:40                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:47                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:54                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 22:04                       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-21 20:22           ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-22  0:01             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 20:32             ` Jeff Garzik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-22 18:37 Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 18:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 19:19   ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:51     ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:56       ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 20:13         ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:52     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:53   ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 19:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:13 ` Rik van Riel

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