PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Thomas T. Soares]

All I could do was done to get out of this add-paradise...


Now the only I can do is ask until someone take me out or
  show me how to do it...


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| Thomas Tschoepke Soares                   |     //   En brujas no
|               ttsoares AT brturbo DOT com |(~~~//'~)    acreo...
|--UIN:961141-------------------------------| \     /  pero que las hay,
| The fact is a secondary aspect of reality |  `\_/'          las hay !

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Manuel Krause]

Hi, Thomas & list people!

Can't someone finally take the needed and previously described methods 
to make this list spam-free?

For me it's no problem to delete the few spam mails on this list. But...

... it's a principle of honesty. I want _Thomas_ to stay on the list and 
_not_ the spammers.


Work on, ReiserFS-team!

BTW, Thomas: I find it nice you spam the list yourself, though you 
should automate it in future... and make it more aggressive in any kind 
to provoke a final reaction...

Manuel



On 07/11/2002 04:29 AM, Thomas T. Soares wrote:
> All I could do was done to get out of this add-paradise...
> 
> 
> Now the only I can do is ask until someone take me out or
>   show me how to do it...
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 03:39, jsprice@angelfire.com wrote: Know the
> different HGH products 
> 

[OFFICIAL SPAM]

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 04:52:27AM +0200, Manuel Krause wrote:
> Hi, Thomas & list people!
> 
> Can't someone finally take the needed and previously described methods 
> to make this list spam-free?

http://spamassassin.sf.net and get over it.

I haven't seen a single spam on this list since I started using it.

Ross Vandegrift
ross@willow.seitz.com

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Robert Brockway]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Ross Vandegrift wrote:

> http://spamassassin.sf.net and get over it.
> 
> I haven't seen a single spam on this list since I started using it.

At the risk of saying "me too" I have to concur 100%.  I haven been using 
SpamAssassni for months and it is great.  The first I see of spam on most 
lists is when someone follows upand quotes tghe spam.  If they didn't do 
this I'd never see it.

I recomend using SpamAssassin in client/server mode (with spamc & spamd) 
as performance is orders of magnitude better and takes little more setup.  
Before I changed over to the client/server setup I floored my mail server 
by accidentally dumping 100 emails simultaneously to the box (it is a 
K6-233 with 192Mb ram, and yes it is running Reiserfs :)  I tested the 
client/server setup be sending 35000 emails to the box over a few hours 
(hundreds or thousands at a time) and it didn't break a sweat.

If anyone gets stuck I'm happy to mail the setup I use to people.

Cheers,
	-Rob

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Chris Dukes]

On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:53:47PM +1000, Robert Brockway wrote:
[Suggestion to spam assassin snipped]
The "Well it works for me" attitude really doesn't help Linux or Open
Source.

Filtering just removes the spam, not the spammers.
Tracking down and applying a LART to the originating ISP and the open relay
puts the spammer out of business and decreases future spam.
Because this list CONTINUES to remove relevant headers it is impossible
to shutdown spammer ISPs and open relays.  It is also impossible to
quickly track down mailloops.

For the past 2 months my only source of SPAM has been the reiserfs mailing
list.  It has been the first SPAM source where I could not LART the offending
relays and ISPs since I was stuck with Lotus Notes at IBM.

If the reiserfs list continues to trim useful headers after 23:00 GMT July 
15th, I will attempt to unsubscribe.  If I continue to receive SPAM through
the reiserfs list after 23:00 GMT July 17th I will be forced to report
namesys.com to its upstream provider as an open relay and an injection
point for SPAM.

I would prefer to avoid such measures, but it has been months since
minor modifications to the list to provide SPAM countermeasures have been 
suggested, approved by Hans, and completely ignored by the list maintainer.
Because those measures have been ignored, the only documented source of
the SPAM is namesys.com.
-- 
Chris Dukes
The Information Technology field is similar to a Marx Brothers sketch.
As a sysadmin, I fill in for Harpo Marx.  -- me.

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Robert Brockway]

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Chris Dukes wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:53:47PM +1000, Robert Brockway wrote:
> [Suggestion to spam assassin snipped]
> The "Well it works for me" attitude really doesn't help Linux or Open
> Source.

Just trying to be helpful.  I'm sorry you didn't find my comments 
helpful, but perhaps others did.  Your response has an abrupt tone to it 
and I'm realy not sure how my comments could have annoyed you.

> Filtering just removes the spam, not the spammers.

You'll never remove the spammers.  They're like cockroaches.  You get one
& 10 spring up (ok, so I live in the tropics).

> Tracking down and applying a LART to the originating ISP and the open relay
> puts the spammer out of business and decreases future spam.

It does not put them out of business.  You have to be kidding.   10 
minutes later they're back spamming from another address.

> Because this list CONTINUES to remove relevant headers it is impossible
> to shutdown spammer ISPs and open relays.  It is also impossible to
> quickly track down mailloops.

I have made no comment on any policy of this list.  I vaguely remember 
someone mentioning it before but I didn't care much (I'm on many lists, 
the policy on one list is only of limited interest to me).

> For the past 2 months my only source of SPAM has been the reiserfs mailing
> list.  It has been the first SPAM source where I could not LART the offending
> relays and ISPs since I was stuck with Lotus Notes at IBM.

Then you have had better success at hitting spammers than anyone I know.  
Congratulations.
 
> If the reiserfs list continues to trim useful headers after 23:00 GMT July 
> 15th, I will attempt to unsubscribe.  If I continue to receive SPAM through

Yeah, ok.  I'll take that under advisement.

> the reiserfs list after 23:00 GMT July 17th I will be forced to report
> namesys.com to its upstream provider as an open relay and an injection
> point for SPAM.

If you do that & namesys.com has no MTAs that are open relays you're 
going to look a bit silly.  I have no idea if namesys.com has any MTAs 
that are open relays (as I have not checked, nor am I going to), but I 
doubt it.

There is a big difference between an open relay MTA & a list that gets 
spam (with or without munged headers).

Anyway, your reply to me was abrupt in tone, which I feel was 
inappropriate under the circumstances (all I did was try to provide some 
useful information).

This is the last post I'll be making on this topic (I detest flame wars).

Shalom/Salaam/peace.

Rob

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Hans Reiser]

I apologize for the delay in responding to the half-dozen or so 
reasonable suggestions regarding spam handling.  I expect that we will 
have some coherent comprehensive response to this soon.

-- 
Hans

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Oleg Drokin]

Hello!

On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 04:52:27AM +0200, Manuel Krause wrote:

> Can't someone finally take the needed and previously described methods 
> to make this list spam-free?

Our admin investigates "spamassasin" thing, but he says there is some
problem between qmail and this apamassasin interoperation.
Be sure, we dislike the spam as much as you do

Bye,
    Oleg

Re: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Jens Benecke]

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 11:18:58AM +0400, Oleg Drokin wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 04:52:27AM +0200, Manuel Krause wrote:
> 
> > Can't someone finally take the needed and previously described
> > methods to make this list spam-free?
> 
> Our admin investigates "spamassasin" thing, but he says there is some
> problem between qmail and this apamassasin interoperation.  Be sure,
> we dislike the spam as much as you do

Use qmail-scanner (http://qmail-scanner.sf.net). Even if you don't want
an anti-virus it can also easily integrate spamassassin into the qmail
queue.

It's set up in 2 minutes. Really.


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Re[]: PLEASE: take me out of this nightmare!!!

[Anders Widman]

> On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 11:18:58AM +0400, Oleg Drokin wrote:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 04:52:27AM +0200, Manuel Krause wrote:
>> 
>> > Can't someone finally take the needed and previously described
>> > methods to make this list spam-free?
>> 
>> Our admin investigates "spamassasin" thing, but he says there is some
>> problem between qmail and this apamassasin interoperation.  Be sure,
>> we dislike the spam as much as you do

> Use qmail-scanner (http://qmail-scanner.sf.net). Even if you don't want
> an anti-virus it can also easily integrate spamassassin into the qmail
> queue.

> It's set up in 2 minutes. Really.


Who would we, the users of this list, need to protect ourselves from
spam. I see no difficulty for the list-server to block messages from
outsiders (non-members) to reach the list.

But, if it would take to much time to implement this,  I would rather
have the ReiserFS team to keep up the good work on the FS instead of
removing spam from this list.


//Anders