[parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[alaskan]

I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60, after many tries and a
newer ISO image of palinux-2.4.18-pa60-20020802-netinst.iso.

I used tasksel to select a workstation with:  "X window system,
desktop system, games and conventional unix server" any other
combinations would over fill my 1GB hard disk drive, or other attempts
that would fit in the drive, GNOME failed on startup and be broken.

Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[Grant Grundler]

alaskan@telusplanet.net wrote:
> I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60,
...
> Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .

it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.
You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
case I'd reccomend twm.

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[jsoe0708]

>-- Original Message --
>To: alaskan@telusplanet.net
>Cc: parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, debian-hppa@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4 
>From: Grant Grundler <grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com>
>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:08:29 -0600
>
>
>alaskan@telusplanet.net wrote:
>> I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60,
>...
>> Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .
>
>it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.
>You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
>the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
>case I'd reccomend twm.
>
I also appreciate xfce. Just need more than 8 colors but I read Alan Cox
mail about hp dither CR technic but do not really how to use this material.
I some one has already some draft code?

Cheers,
    Joel

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 07:02, jsoe0708@tiscali.be wrote:
> I also appreciate xfce. Just need more than 8 colors but I read Alan Cox
> mail about hp dither CR technic but do not really how to use this material.
> I some one has already some draft code?

For 8bit desktops just bang the icons through the pnmtools and quantize
them to 16 colours. I do wish X had an RGB332 'truecolour' some times.

That draft code tells you how to dither your images for the display. As
far as I can make out its primarily aimed at 3D rendering, so you can
have fake high quality 3D images (where 8bit banding _really_ ruins the
display) at lower resolution than your desktop

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[jsoe0708]

>-- Original Message --
>Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4
>From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
>To: jsoe0708@tiscali.be
>Cc: Grant Grundler <grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com>,
>   parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
>Date: 30 Aug 2002 12:07:39 +0100
>
>
>On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 07:02, jsoe0708@tiscali.be wrote:
>> I also appreciate xfce. Just need more than 8 colors but I read Alan Cox
>> mail about hp dither CR technic but do not really how to use this material.
>> I some one has already some draft code?
>
>For 8bit desktops just bang the icons through the pnmtools and quantize
>them to 16 colours. I do wish X had an RGB332 'truecolour' some times.
>
>That draft code tells you how to dither your images for the display. As
>far as I can make out its primarily aimed at 3D rendering, so you can
>have fake high quality 3D images (where 8bit banding _really_ ruins the
>display) at lower resolution than your desktop
>
Thanks, I definitely missunderstand the purpose of this code.

My actual question would be how to obtain 128 (and may be more) colors like
CDE or VUE (is X11R6 server like mklinux proposed would help?)


Joel

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[ste]

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:08:29 -0600 Grant Grundler <grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com> wrote: 8-§  > alaskan@telusplanet.net wrote:
8-§  > > I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60,
8-§  > ...
8-§  > > Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .
8-§  > 
8-§  > it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.
8-§  > You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
8-§  > the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
8-§  > case I'd reccomend twm.
8-§  > 
8-§  > grant

Why not IceWM? on my 710/50 it is running pretty fine and enough fast!!! ;-P
I also like the Infadel2-Overloaded theme!!!

linuxabbestia

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Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[ste]

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:08:29 -0600 Grant Grundler <grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com> wrote: 8-§  > alaskan@telusplanet.net wrote:
8-§  > > I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60,
8-§  > ...
8-§  > > Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .
8-§  > 
8-§  > it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.
8-§  > You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
8-§  > the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
8-§  > case I'd reccomend twm.
8-§  > 
8-§  > grant

Why not IceWM? on my 710/50 it is running pretty fine and enough fast!!! ;-P
I also like the Infadel2-Overloaded theme!!!

linuxabbestia

<<Unix IS user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are!>>

 See "User's Guide":     http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/
 See "Debian reference": http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
 "Debian reference" Project at: http://qref.sf.net

Please DO NOT send e-mail with any attachment in a "proprietary format", such as either .doc or .ppt, BECAUSE: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html (the Italian version is available on the following url: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.it.html)
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Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 05:08, Grant Grundler wrote:
> it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.

Gnome2 is alittle faster

> You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
> the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
> case I'd reccomend twm.

The setup I use so I get a 'real desktop' not just old style X window
mangler is xfce for the desktop with the rox filer on top for the file
mangler, icon dock etc.

Its snappy in 24Mb. On an FPUless box build xfce with imlib not
gdk_pixbuf.

I'd guess it would be very nice on an ancient parisc box too because
they pa boxes probably have better I/O

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 05:08, Grant Grundler wrote:
> it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.

Gnome2 is alittle faster

> You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
> the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
> case I'd reccomend twm.

The setup I use so I get a 'real desktop' not just old style X window
mangler is xfce for the desktop with the rox filer on top for the file
mangler, icon dock etc.

Its snappy in 24Mb. On an FPUless box build xfce with imlib not
gdk_pixbuf.

I'd guess it would be very nice on an ancient parisc box too because
they pa boxes probably have better I/O

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[Grant Grundler]

Alan Cox wrote:
> The setup I use so I get a 'real desktop' not just old style X window
> mangler is xfce for the desktop with the rox filer on top for the file
> mangler, icon dock etc.

rox filer isn't available pre-built for hppa.
"dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" died with:
...
checking that libgtk2.0-dev (version >= 2.0.1) is installed... no
configure: error: Package is not installed

while on my system "dpkg -l libgtk\*" says:
...
ii  libgtk2.0-0    2.0.2-5woody1  The GTK+ graphical user interface library
ii  libgtk2.0-comm 2.0.2-5woody1  Common files for the GTK+ graphical user int
ii  libgtk2.0-dbg  2.0.2-5woody1  The GTK+ libraries and debugging symbols
ii  libgtk2.0-dev  2.0.2-5woody1  Development files for the GTK+ library.

Latest source depot's are below in case someone wants to beat rox config
tools into submission:
deb http://www.janw.easynet.be/rox/ developer/
deb-src http://www.janw.easynet.be/rox/ developer/

(one might try "stable/" instead of "developer/")


> I'd guess it would be very nice on an ancient parisc box too because
> they pa boxes probably have better I/O

I was thinking xfce is a window manager but it's not:
    xfce is an easy-to-use and easy-to-configure toolbar for X11.  Features
    pulldown menus with color icons, 3D widgets,  etc.   It's  designed  to
    work with XFwm, (window manager shipped with xfce)

It works on fine on my B180...but I didn't try it with XFwm as reccomended.
fvwm was still running...I'll try it again with XFwm.

thanks,
grant

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[Grant Grundler]

Alan Cox wrote:
> The setup I use so I get a 'real desktop' not just old style X window
> mangler is xfce for the desktop with the rox filer on top for the file
> mangler, icon dock etc.

rox filer isn't available pre-built for hppa.
"dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" died with:
...
checking that libgtk2.0-dev (version >= 2.0.1) is installed... no
configure: error: Package is not installed

while on my system "dpkg -l libgtk\*" says:
...
ii  libgtk2.0-0    2.0.2-5woody1  The GTK+ graphical user interface library
ii  libgtk2.0-comm 2.0.2-5woody1  Common files for the GTK+ graphical user int
ii  libgtk2.0-dbg  2.0.2-5woody1  The GTK+ libraries and debugging symbols
ii  libgtk2.0-dev  2.0.2-5woody1  Development files for the GTK+ library.

Latest source depot's are below in case someone wants to beat rox config
tools into submission:
deb http://www.janw.easynet.be/rox/ developer/
deb-src http://www.janw.easynet.be/rox/ developer/

(one might try "stable/" instead of "developer/")


> I'd guess it would be very nice on an ancient parisc box too because
> they pa boxes probably have better I/O

I was thinking xfce is a window manager but it's not:
    xfce is an easy-to-use and easy-to-configure toolbar for X11.  Features
    pulldown menus with color icons, 3D widgets,  etc.   It's  designed  to
    work with XFwm, (window manager shipped with xfce)

It works on fine on my B180...but I didn't try it with XFwm as reccomended.
fvwm was still running...I'll try it again with XFwm.

thanks,
grant

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[James S]

> alaskan@telusplanet.net wrote:
> > I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60,
> ...
> > Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .
>
> it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.
> You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
> the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
> case I'd reccomend twm.
>
> grant


windowmaker runs well on my 712/60 - & you can run gnome & kde apps under it

James S

Re: [parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[Grant Grundler]

alaskan@telusplanet.net wrote:
> I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60,
...
> Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .

it's not faster on a 486/DX4/75Mhz.
You really need to use a lighter weight window manager on
the older boxes. fvwm2 is my current favorite though in this
case I'd reccomend twm.

grant

[parisc-linux] GNOME 1.4

[alaskan]

I finally got GNOME 1.4 working on a 712/60, after many tries and a
newer ISO image of palinux-2.4.18-pa60-20020802-netinst.iso.

I used tasksel to select a workstation with:  "X window system,
desktop system, games and conventional unix server" any other
combinations would over fill my 1GB hard disk drive, or other attempts
that would fit in the drive, GNOME failed on startup and be broken.

Its pretty, but slow .   .  . .