From: Jesse Pollard <pollard@admin.navo.hpc.mil>
To: Ivan Ivanov <ivandi@vamo.orbitel.bg>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: XFS?
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:47:54 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200209130747.54730.pollard@admin.navo.hpc.mil> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209131011340.4066-100000@magic.vamo.orbitel.bg>
On Friday 13 September 2002 02:47 am, Ivan Ivanov wrote:
> I think that you missed the main problem with all this new "great"
> filesystems. And the main problem is potential data loss in case of a
> crash. Only ext3 supports ordered or journal data mode.
>
> XFS and JFS are designed for large multiprocessor machines powered by UPS
> etc., where the risk of power fail, or some kind of tecnical problem is
> veri low.
>
> On the other side Linux works in much "risky" environment - old
> machines, assembled from "yellow" parts, unstable power suply and so on.
>
> With XFS every time when power fails while writing to file the entire file
> is lost. The joke is that it is normal according FAQ :)
Also note, it has been my experience that the blocks allocated to the file are
also lost. It takes a fsck operation to recover that.
I had a raided XFS filesystem that lost power at 3am every night... IRIX
panic/crash/dead. After the third one in a row half of the raid volume was
missing. I noticed that when the aviailable space was exausted. It took an
xfs_repair to rebuild the free space. (power failure due to overloaded circuit
and somebody turned on a monitor...)
> JFS has the same problem.
> With ReiserFS this happens sometimes, but much much rarely. May be v4 will
> solve this problem at all.
>
> The above three filesystems have problems with badblocks too.
>
> So the main problem is how usable is the filesystem. I mean if a company
> spends a few tousand $ to provide a "low risky" environment, then may be
> it will use AIX or IRIX, but not Linux.
> And if I am running a <$1000 "server" I will never use XFS/JFS.
>
> -----------------
> Best Regards
> Ivan
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-09-13 12:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-09-13 7:47 XFS? Ivan Ivanov
2002-09-13 9:32 ` XFS? Nero
2002-09-13 10:22 ` XFS? Ivan Ivanov
2002-09-13 11:07 ` XFS? Filip Van Raemdonck
2002-09-13 12:42 ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-13 9:53 ` XFS? Remco Post
2002-09-13 11:38 ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-13 12:47 ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2002-09-13 13:33 ` XFS? Ian S. Nelson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-09-13 10:52 XFS? Kostadin Karaivanov
2002-09-13 10:57 ` XFS? Christoph Hellwig
[not found] <3D80CCEF.7070007@tmsusa.com>
2002-09-12 17:53 ` XFS? jbradford
[not found] <200209121553.g8CFrrEh003646@dstl.gov.uk>
2002-09-12 16:03 ` XFS? Tony Gale
2002-09-13 5:58 ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-12 15:27 XFS? Martin Knoblauch
2002-09-12 15:53 ` XFS? jbradford
2002-09-12 17:06 ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-12 17:28 ` XFS? Joe Kellner
2002-09-12 17:44 ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-12 17:54 ` XFS? Joe Kellner
2002-09-12 17:09 ` XFS? Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-09-12 17:45 ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-12 13:54 XFS? Martin Knoblauch
2002-09-12 13:42 XFS? Martin Knoblauch
2002-09-12 15:00 ` XFS? jbradford
2002-09-13 11:53 ` XFS? Bill Davidsen
2002-09-13 12:27 ` XFS? jbradford
2002-09-13 13:21 ` XFS? jlnance
[not found] <1059487013@toto.iv>
2002-09-11 0:31 ` XFS? Peter Chubb
[not found] <20020909193820.GA2007@lnuxlab.ath.cx.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209091457590.3793-100000@hawkeye.luckynet.adm.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-09-09 21:12 ` XFS? Andi Kleen
2002-09-09 21:20 ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-09 21:27 ` XFS? Robert Love
2002-09-10 17:15 ` XFS? Mike Galbraith
2002-09-10 19:23 ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-10 19:29 ` XFS? Robert Love
2002-09-10 19:33 ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-11 0:33 ` XFS? Bryan Whitehead
2002-09-10 20:06 ` XFS? John Alvord
2002-09-10 20:17 ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-10 20:17 ` XFS? Joe Kellner
2002-09-10 20:26 ` XFS? David Lang
2002-09-10 20:31 ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-11 2:34 ` XFS? Bernd Eckenfels
2002-09-10 22:18 ` XFS? Nick LeRoy
2002-09-10 20:34 ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-10 21:01 ` XFS? Steve Lord
2002-09-11 8:43 ` XFS? jw schultz
2002-09-11 15:20 ` XFS? Nick LeRoy
2002-09-11 17:08 ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-11 18:24 ` XFS? Gerhard Mack
2002-09-11 18:54 ` XFS? Lorenzo Allegrucci
2002-09-12 18:25 ` XFS? Bryan Whitehead
2002-09-12 18:33 ` XFS? Nikita Danilov
2002-09-13 11:44 ` XFS? Bill Davidsen
2002-09-13 12:44 ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-13 15:47 ` XFS? Bill Davidsen
2002-09-12 23:38 ` XFS? Samuel Flory
2002-09-11 21:21 ` XFS? jw schultz
2002-09-11 22:41 ` XFS? Nick LeRoy
2002-09-11 23:01 ` XFS? Robert Varga
2002-09-12 2:48 ` XFS? jw schultz
2002-09-11 4:56 ` XFS? Mike Galbraith
2002-09-11 14:55 ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-11 17:52 ` XFS? Mike Galbraith
2002-09-11 15:12 ` XFS? Bill Davidsen
2002-09-11 16:03 ` XFS? Alan Cox
2002-09-11 18:55 ` XFS? Eric Sandeen
2002-09-11 21:37 ` XFS? Alan Cox
2002-09-09 19:38 XFS? khromy
[not found] ` <3D7CFEE5.3030600@netscape.net>
2002-09-09 20:08 ` XFS? Wade
2002-09-09 20:16 ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-09 20:43 ` XFS? Arador
2002-09-09 21:18 ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-09 22:31 ` XFS? Rik van Riel
2002-09-10 6:23 ` XFS? Wade
2002-09-10 13:24 ` XFS? Gerhard Mack
2002-09-09 21:00 ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-09 22:29 ` XFS? Joe Kellner
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