very newbie

very newbie

[Yelland, Michael]

I installed RHS 7.1 but ifconfig has no idea where my 3Com eth III is...what
to do ?  I'm learning unix quickly :)
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Re: very newbie

[Axel Siebenwirth]

Hi Michael!

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Yelland, Michael wrote:

> I installed RHS 7.1 but ifconfig has no idea where my 3Com eth III is...what
> to do ?  I'm learning unix quickly :)

Sorry, but it's quite late here in Germany right now. All I can help you
with, is give you some URLs to look at.

http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/
http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/isapnpfaq-1.html
http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/html/howto/pnpdump.html

If I got you right, it'a 3COM Etherlink III card you have. All I needed to
do for myself with this card, is build a kernel with support for ISAPNP and
3COM Etherlink III card compiled in.


Best regards,
Axel Siebenwirth
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Re: very newbie

[pa3gcu]

On Monday 16 September 2002 21:53, Yelland, Michael wrote:
> I installed RHS 7.1 but ifconfig has no idea where my 3Com eth III
> is...what to do ?  I'm learning unix quickly :)


Is this card an ISA ethernet card as desribed in the Configure.help file in 
the kernel source.?
3c509/3c529 (MCA)/3c579 "EtherLink III"  support
???

If so do you know the addresses of the card. IRQ and I/O ??
Most problems with ISA cards happen not to be linux not finding the card but 
because one did not resurve an IRQ for it in the motherboards BIOS.

-- 
Regards Richard
pa3gcu@zeelandnet.nl
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/

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3Com Eth II problem (was: Re: very newbie)

[Ray Olszewski]

At 03:23 PM 9/17/02 +0000, pa3gcu wrote:
>On Monday 16 September 2002 21:53, Yelland, Michael wrote:
> > I installed RHS 7.1 but ifconfig has no idea where my 3Com eth III
> > is...what to do ?  I'm learning unix quickly :)

I missed the original message. Without duplicating Richard's fine advice, I 
do want to raise a different issue.

You are checking for the card using ifconfig. The normal (no arguments) use 
of this app will find only configured interfaces, that is, ones with IP 
addresses assigned. So from your report, it is unclear whether the problem 
is that the kernel module is not properly initializing the NIC (Richard's 
answer assumed that) or that the NIC is getting initialized but the 
interface not configured.

To distinguish these two possibilities, look at the output of "ifconfig 
-a". The -a argument tells it to report on all interfaces, not just 
configured ones. If you have no eth0, then follow Richard's advice. If you 
do have an eth0 but it has no IP address, check on how you set up your 
networking. (I can't be more specific here until you tell us how the host 
is *supposed* to get its IP address.)

PS - Please try to use more informative Subject: lines in the future. For 
an example, see the difference between your original and the replacement I 
provided  here.


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Ray Olszewski					-- Han Solo
Palo Alto, California, USA			  ray@comarre.com
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Re: very newbie

[Axel Siebenwirth]

Hi Michael!

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Yelland, Michael wrote:

> "build a kernel"...is even Linux still 'back' at this stage of
> life/evolution ?  Hasn't anyone yet learned what Windows has done, which is
> install on anything, anytime, any card, any device, etc ???
> 
> If the kernel didn't recognize the card, it should say so and find the right
> driver and cfg itself. Windoze does it !

Hmm. If you regard Windows so pleasant, just stick to Windows...

Best wishes,
Axel
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RE: very newbie

[James Miller]

> > "build a kernel"...is even Linux still 'back' at this stage of
> > life/evolution ?  Hasn't anyone yet learned what Windows has done, which is
> > install on anything, anytime, any card, any device, etc ???
> > 
> > If the kernel didn't recognize the card, it should say so and find the right
> > driver and cfg itself. Windoze does it !
> 
> Hmm. If you regard Windows so pleasant, just stick to Windows...
> 
Is it not true that M$ accomplished this feat, not by means of native 
intelligence or ingenuity, but by establishing a software monopoly that effectively 
forced hardware vendors to conform to their standards? In other words, 
that it was as much a matter of brawn as brains - which the above 
remarks appear to gloss? Have you not run into the "your hardware does not 
support Windows XP: please contact your hardware vendor" syndrome? Is it 
really the case that M$ could not make XP drivers supporting 6 or 7 year old printers 
(my own personal experience of this syndrome) to include with their OS? Or 
is this, as it seems, a transparent attempt on M$'s part to muscle 
hardware vendors - via you, the consumer - into conforming with their 
latest developments? Isn't it really the case, quite contrary to what the 
XP error message is telling you, that it is XP that does not yet support 
your hardware, rather than your hardware not supporting XP?

Not that standardization is an altogether bad development in the history of computing, 
though. The real question in this respect is probably whether the time has come to 
overthrow the monopoly and let the standardization occur in a more public arena, such 
as that offerred by the Linux community. Were companies like 3Com to work in 
concert with Linux developers with something approximating the sort of 
intimacy involved in their relations with the M$ monopoly, these sorts of 
problems could be reduced to the more minor levels at which they are 
encountered under M$ OS's. You might discern that I don't see these things 
in the terms of "evolution" and ingenuity alluded to above so much as in 
terms of competing social forces and politcal and/or technological hegemony. I think 
it's a less idealistic, and consequently more realistic, view.

James

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