[parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Martin-Éric Racine]

Greetings,=20

I'm compiling my own kernel and I have some questions.  My goal is to produ=
ce a
kernel that is as lightweight as possible, which implies disabling support =
for
hardware that is not found on this 712-60. =20

At this point, I apt-got kernel-source-2.4.19-hppa and unpacked it, and alr=
eady
selected the 7100LC/7300LC CPU option.  What else?  Has anybody compiled a =
FAQ
on parisc-linux that provides .config files optimized for each PA-RISC hard=
ware
or, alternately, a checklist of hardware one finds in product xxx, referenc=
ed by
Linux kernel feature or module name?=20

PS:  I don't subscribe to parisc-linux.  Please CC replies to this address.

--=20
Martin-=C9ric Racine, Espoo, Finland.
"Kas sa tahad mind? - Nej!!! =C4r du en idiot?!!"
http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/

RE: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Martin-Éric Racine]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, "Beerse, Corn=E9" wrote:

> > At this point, I apt-got kernel-source-2.4.19-hppa and=20
> > unpacked it, and already
> > selected the 7100LC/7300LC CPU option.  What else?  Has=20
> > anybody compiled a FAQ
> > on parisc-linux that provides .config files optimized for=20
> > each PA-RISC hardware
> > or, alternately, a checklist of hardware one finds in product=20
> > xxx, referenced by
> > Linux kernel feature or module name?=20
>=20
> Have you checked the hardware database on the website?
> (http://www.parisc-linux.org/) That gives an overview on what whas in the
> origional box.

http://hwdb.parisc-linux.org/view.php3?type=3Dmachine&name=3D712%2F60

That page could have been written in Chinese, it would have been equally cl=
ear. =20

I guess I'm just used to PC hardware, where kernel compiling simply means "=
if
you have graphics card XXX select the driver with the same name". I've yet =
to
find that simplicity in HP hardware, probably because everything is done vi=
a
custom chips that combine several functions, and it is not clear to me whic=
h
chip does what, as every line in that page starts with Gecko.

--=20
Martin-=C9ric Racine, Espoo, Finland.
"Kas sa tahad mind? - Nej!!! =C4r du en idiot?!!"
http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/

Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Patrick Caulfield]

On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 12:34:43PM +0300, Martin-?ric Racine wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, "Beerse, Corn?" wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Have you checked the hardware database on the website?
> > (http://www.parisc-linux.org/) That gives an overview on what whas in the
> > origional box.
> 
> http://hwdb.parisc-linux.org/view.php3?type=machine&name=712%2F60
> 
> That page could have been written in Chinese, it would have been equally clear.  
> 
> I guess I'm just used to PC hardware, where kernel compiling simply means "if
> you have graphics card XXX select the driver with the same name". I've yet to
> find that simplicity in HP hardware, probably because everything is done via
> custom chips that combine several functions, and it is not clear to me which
> chip does what, as every line in that page starts with Gecko.

The thing is, it should be simpler than a PC because HP hardware (similar to
most large manufacturers) is pretty standard for any particular machine.

I suppose what you really want is a template .config for each type of machine
available from that page and a user just drops it in place and build a kernel
for it. If you stick other cards in the machine then it's up to you to figure
out the kernel options.

I'll volunteer one for a C110 :-)

patrick

RE: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

["Beerse, Corné"]

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin-Éric Racine [mailto:q-funk@pp.fishpool.fi]
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, "Beerse, Corné" wrote:
> 
> > > At this point, I apt-got kernel-source-2.4.19-hppa and 
> > > unpacked it, and already
> > > selected the 7100LC/7300LC CPU option.  What else?  Has 
> > > anybody compiled a FAQ
> > > on parisc-linux that provides .config files optimized for 
> > > each PA-RISC hardware
> > > or, alternately, a checklist of hardware one finds in product 
> > > xxx, referenced by
> > > Linux kernel feature or module name? 
> > 
> > Have you checked the hardware database on the website?
> > (http://www.parisc-linux.org/) That gives an overview on 
> what whas in the
> > origional box.
> 
> http://hwdb.parisc-linux.org/view.php3?type=machine&name=712%2F60
> 
> That page could have been written in Chinese, it would have 
> been equally clear.  
> 
> I guess I'm just used to PC hardware, where kernel compiling 
> simply means "if
> you have graphics card XXX select the driver with the same 
> name". I've yet to

Which most times results in a lot of variants for the same card (since
manufacturers update hardware without updating the type info) and lots of
names for stuf using the same chipset. I think it is just what you are used
ot. both have their pro-s and con-s. 

> find that simplicity in HP hardware, probably because 
> everything is done via
> custom chips that combine several functions, and it is not 
> clear to me which
> chip does what, as every line in that page starts with Gecko.

I think this Gecko is the name of the development of the machine. I think
(never looked) the terms can be found in the source too (if required). Its
just a little more pronouncable than 9000/712/60... You're working on
workstations. If you look at servers (9000/800 range) then it is an even
stranger view at first sight.




CBee

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Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Thibaut VARENE]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:34:43 +0300 (EEST)
"Martin-" <q-funk@pp.fishpool.fi> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, "Beerse, Corné" wrote:
> 
> > > At this point, I apt-got kernel-source-2.4.19-hppa and 
> > > unpacked it, and already
> > > selected the 7100LC/7300LC CPU option.  What else?  Has 
> > > anybody compiled a FAQ
> > > on parisc-linux that provides .config files optimized for 
> > > each PA-RISC hardware
> > > or, alternately, a checklist of hardware one finds in product 
> > > xxx, referenced by
> > > Linux kernel feature or module name? 
Well, as for any kind of 'PC' box, a quick look at lspci output, and even more at 'dmesg', will tell you everything you need to know.

> > 
> > Have you checked the hardware database on the website?
> > (http://www.parisc-linux.org/) That gives an overview on what whas in the
> > origional box.
> 
> http://hwdb.parisc-linux.org/view.php3?type=machine&name=712%2F60
> 
> That page could have been written in Chinese, it would have been equally clear.  
> if
> you have graphics card XXX select the driver with the same name". I've
> chip does what, as every line in that page starts with Gecko.
Did you notice that each chip is labelled with its driver name ?
See, the text between '()' at the end of each line ?

I wonder if we should make it bold, or maybe flashing ? :o)

A last point, subscribing to this mailing-list would be a good idea, or at least taking a look at archives. You would have then noticed that the last version of the PA-RISC/Linux Boot HOWTO has been released about 4 days ago, giving you many useful tips about kernel compiling...
http://pateam.esiee.fr/doc.html
http://lists.parisc-linux.org/pipermail/parisc-linux/

Hope that helps,


Thibaut VARENE
The PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/

Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Martin-Éric Racine]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Thibaut VARENE wrote:

> > http://hwdb.parisc-linux.org/view.php3?type=3Dmachine&name=3D712%2F60
> >=20
> > That page could have been written in Chinese, it would have been equall=
y clear. =20
>
> Did you notice that each chip is labelled with its driver name ?
> See, the text between '()' at the end of each line ?
> I wonder if we should make it bold, or maybe flashing ? :o)

Right, let's run through this list and see if it's as clear as you think:

1) Gecko (712/60) (Processor) (PA7100LC (PCX-L))
2) Gecko (Memory)
3) Gecko Optional RS-232 (Foreign I/O Module) (Serial driver)
4) Gecko Optional Lan (802.3) (Foreign I/O Module) (Lasi_82596 driver)
5) Gecko Core PC Keyboard (Foreign I/O Module) (PS/2 driver)
6) Gecko Core PC Floppy (Foreign I/O Module)
7) Gecko Audio (Foreign I/O Module) (Harmony driver)
8) Gecko Core Centronics (Foreign I/O Module) (Parallel driver)
9) Gecko Core RS-232 (Foreign I/O Module) (Serial driver)
a) Gecko Core Lan (802.3) (Foreign I/O Module) (Lasi_82596 driver)
b) Gecko Core SCSI (Foreign I/O Module) (NCR53c710 driver)
c) Gecko GSC Core Graphics (Foreign I/O Module)
d) Gecko Optional BA (Bus Adapter) (Lasi driver)
e) Gecko Core BA (Bus Adapter) (Lasi driver)=20

1) CPU:  PA7100LC.  clear enough.
2) Memory:  which module?  In which dialogue?
3) Optional RS-232:  which module?  In which dialogue?
4) Optional LAN:  Lasi_Ethernet?  Anything else?
5) Keyboard:  Lasi/Dino PS2 port?  Anything else, besides PS2 mouse?
6) Floppy:  which module?  PC Floppy definitely doesn't work.
7) Sound:  Harmony.  clear enough.
8) Parallel:  which modules?  LASI/ASP builtin, or PC-style hardware too?
9) Core RS-232:  which module?  generic 8250/16550?
a) Core LAN:  Lasi_Ethernet?  Anything else?
b) SCSI:  HP LASI SCSI support for 53c700/710, or NCR53c7,8xx SCSI support =
too?
c) Graphics:  which module?  Generic STI frame buffer?
d) Optional BA:  which module?  In which dialogue?
e) Core BA:  which module?  In which dialogue?

> A last point, subscribing to this mailing-list would be a good idea, or a=
t
> least taking a look at archives. You would have then noticed that the las=
t
> version of the PA-RISC/Linux Boot HOWTO has been released about 4 days ag=
o,

Last online version on parisc-linux is dated from 2002-07-15.

--=20
Martin-=C9ric Racine, Espoo, Finland.
"Kas sa tahad mind? - Nej!!! =C4r du en idiot?!!"
http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/

Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

> Right, let's run through this list and see if it's as clear as you think:
> 
> 1) Gecko (712/60) (Processor) (PA7100LC (PCX-L))
> 2) Gecko (Memory)
> 3) Gecko Optional RS-232 (Foreign I/O Module) (Serial driver)
> 4) Gecko Optional Lan (802.3) (Foreign I/O Module) (Lasi_82596 driver)
> 5) Gecko Core PC Keyboard (Foreign I/O Module) (PS/2 driver)
> 6) Gecko Core PC Floppy (Foreign I/O Module)
> 7) Gecko Audio (Foreign I/O Module) (Harmony driver)
> 8) Gecko Core Centronics (Foreign I/O Module) (Parallel driver)
> 9) Gecko Core RS-232 (Foreign I/O Module) (Serial driver)
> a) Gecko Core Lan (802.3) (Foreign I/O Module) (Lasi_82596 driver)
> b) Gecko Core SCSI (Foreign I/O Module) (NCR53c710 driver)
> c) Gecko GSC Core Graphics (Foreign I/O Module)
> d) Gecko Optional BA (Bus Adapter) (Lasi driver)
> e) Gecko Core BA (Bus Adapter) (Lasi driver) 

I have a kernel config for a 712/80 where I threw out all the crap I
didn't need and I build as much as possible as a module. Interested?

-- 
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Why you can't find your system administrators:
Is out back beating a luser into corn mash who asked "When will the system be back up" one time too many. 

Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:22:14PM +0300, Martin-Éric Racine wrote:
> 2) Memory:  which module?  In which dialogue?

do you know of any linux architecture where you have to turn on a
configuration option to access your _ram_?  ok, x86 has that lame
1GB/4GB/64GB question, but parisc doesn't ask you a question about it.
why are you complaining?

> 3) Optional RS-232:  which module?  In which dialogue?

it says "serial driver" right after it.  the precise option you need to
turn on is :
      bool '   serial port on GSC support' CONFIG_SERIAL_GSC

> 6) Floppy:  which module?  PC Floppy definitely doesn't work.

no, nobody's made the floppy drive work yet.

> 8) Parallel:  which modules?  LASI/ASP builtin, or PC-style hardware too?

just LASI/ASP.

> b) SCSI:  HP LASI SCSI support for 53c700/710, or NCR53c7,8xx SCSI support too?

just the former.

> d) Optional BA:  which module?  In which dialogue?
> e) Core BA:  which module?  In which dialogue?

dep_bool '  Lasi I/O support' CONFIG_GSC_LASI $CONFIG_GSC

is this really so hard?

-- 
Revolutions do not require corporate support.

Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Martin-Éric Racine]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:22:14PM +0300, Martin-=C9ric Racine wrote:
> > 3) Optional RS-232:  which module?  In which dialogue?
>=20
> it says "serial driver" right after it.  the precise option you need to
> turn on is :
>       bool '   serial port on GSC support' CONFIG_SERIAL_GSC
>=20
> > d) Optional BA:  which module?  In which dialogue?
> > e) Core BA:  which module?  In which dialogue?
>=20
> dep_bool '  Lasi I/O support' CONFIG_GSC_LASI $CONFIG_GSC
>=20
> is this really so hard?

Yes.  Nobody can guess about the GSC items, or if using only the Lasi-somet=
hing
option is enough when there is also a generic driver for some item.

--=20
Martin-=C9ric Racine, Espoo, Finland.
"Kas sa tahad mind? - Nej!!! =C4r du en idiot?!!"
http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/

Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Thibaut VARENE]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:22:14 +0300 (EEST)
"Martin-" <q-funk@pp.fishpool.fi> wrote:

> 
> > A last point, subscribing to this mailing-list would be a good idea, or at
> > least taking a look at archives. You would have then noticed that the last
> > version of the PA-RISC/Linux Boot HOWTO has been released about 4 days ago,
> 
> Last online version on parisc-linux is dated from 2002-07-15.
hmm, I'm pretty interested by the URL actually.
This howto has _never_ been published on p-l.org.


Thibaut VARENE
The PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/

Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[kenneth westelinck]

Hello,

You can find my config for my 712/60 on:
http://lists.parisc-linux.org/hypermail/parisc-linux/8454.html
I don't think it will be very hard to create a custom config, as the 712/60
doesn't contain that much hardware (at least mine doesn't). The config you
find when following the URL works fine, but I can imagine you can strip it
down even more, depending on the stuff you need.
Hope this helps.


regards,

Kenneth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin-Éric Racine" <q-funk@pp.fishpool.fi>
To: "parisc-linux" <parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?


Greetings,

I'm compiling my own kernel and I have some questions.  My goal is to
produce a
kernel that is as lightweight as possible, which implies disabling support
for
hardware that is not found on this 712-60.

At this point, I apt-got kernel-source-2.4.19-hppa and unpacked it, and
already
selected the 7100LC/7300LC CPU option.  What else?  Has anybody compiled a
FAQ
on parisc-linux that provides .config files optimized for each PA-RISC
hardware
or, alternately, a checklist of hardware one finds in product xxx,
referenced by
Linux kernel feature or module name?

PS:  I don't subscribe to parisc-linux.  Please CC replies to this address.

--
Martin-Éric Racine, Espoo, Finland.
"Kas sa tahad mind? - Nej!!! Är du en idiot?!!"
http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/

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Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?

[Yves Bodack]

From: "Thibaut VARENE" <varenet@esiee.fr>
Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] hardware features of 712-60 ?


> > Last online version on parisc-linux is dated from 2002-07-15.
> hmm, I'm pretty interested by the URL actually.
> This howto has _never_ been published on p-l.org.
You can find it on the very bottom of
http://www.parisc-linux.org/documentation/index.html

Greetings Yves...