[parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Grant Grundler]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 09:22:01AM +0100, Markus Schaber wrote:
> I don't want to use the machine for serious work, it's just as a proof
> of concept.
> 
> Maybe I'll see whether I can upgrade the machine with more memory...

that would be a good idea - even for proof of concept.

> > See www.parisc-linux.org.
> 
> I was there and didn't find a pre-build net-boot image that uses NFS
> root (you see, I wanted to avoid the need of an cross-compile
> environment), but I'll try again next week (I'm away over the weekend).

The Net install ISOs are what you want. See
	http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/install.html

Using is NFS Root is not parisc specific - see debian.org for documentation.
There's also nfsroot.txt with every kernel source tree:
	http://cvs.parisc-linux.org/linux/Documentation/nfsroot.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

Offhand I don't know where to find a relatively current parisc NFS Root.
You could try to copy the contents of the install CD to a local directory
on an NFS server, hack that up a bit, and export the result.

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Thibaut VARENE]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:05:02 -0700
grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com (Grant Grundler) wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 09:22:01AM +0100, Markus Schaber wrote:
> > I don't want to use the machine for serious work, it's just as a proof

> Offhand I don't know where to find a relatively current parisc NFS Root.
> You could try to copy the contents of the install CD to a local
> directory on an NFS server, hack that up a bit, and export the result.
I think that if you have a debian box handy, there's a far more simple way
to create a root tree ready to export via NFS:

# debootstrap --arch=hppa <release> <export_folder> <debian_mirror>

the --arch switch is only necessary when preparing a root for another arch
than the native one.

for me it was:

# debootstrap --arch=hppa woody foo_root/ http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian

HTH,


Thibaut VARENE
The PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/

[parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Markus Schaber]

H3llo,

grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com (Grant Grundler) schrieb:

> > Maybe I'll see whether I can upgrade the machine with more memory...
> that would be a good idea - even for proof of concept.

Do you know a good source to get cheap memory modules for such an old
machine? I'll have a look at ebay...

> > I was there and didn't find a pre-build net-boot image that uses NFS
> > root [...]
> 
> The Net install ISOs are what you want. See
> 	http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/install.html

But as this are ISO files, I need to attach a CD drive, and I don't have
an external SCSI drive lying around. I also doubt I'll find any IDE port
inside my Apollo. That's why I looked for a net-boot image.

I have a floppy drive built in, but on the debian-pa web site I read
that floppy boot is not supported on parisc.

You see, I got this machine for free more than a year ago when our
University put it out of order, and now I just wanted to play a bit with
it. The HPUX installation seems to be severely damaged, and so I wanted
to try linux. I don't mind to put some time into this game, but I don't
want to buy much additional hardware.

PS: I subscribed to the parisc-linux list, so you all don't have to Cc:
me.

Thanks,
Markus

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Thibaut VARENE]

Le lundi, 24 mar 2003, =E0 18:59 Europe/Paris, Markus Schaber a =E9crit =
:

> H3llo,
>
>>> I was there and didn't find a pre-build net-boot image that uses NFS
>>> root [...]
>>
>> The Net install ISOs are what you want. See
>> 	http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/install.html
>
> But as this are ISO files, I need to attach a CD drive, and I don't=20
> have
> an external SCSI drive lying around. I also doubt I'll find any IDE=20
> port
> inside my Apollo. That's why I looked for a net-boot image.
there are lifimages as well.
you can also get them here:
http://pateam.esiee.fr/cd-images/lifimages/

fwiw, reading the PA-RISC/Linux Boot HOWTO would have told you about=20
them.


Thibaut VARENE
The PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/=

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Markus Schaber]

Hello,

Thibaut VARENE <varenet@esiee.fr> schrieb:

> >> The Net install ISOs are what you want. See
> >> 	http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/install.html
> > But as this are ISO files, I need to attach a CD drive, and I don't 
> > have an external SCSI drive lying around. I also doubt I'll find any
> > IDE port inside my Apollo. That's why I looked for a net-boot image.
> there are lifimages as well.
> you can also get them here:
> http://pateam.esiee.fr/cd-images/lifimages/
>
> fwiw, reading the PA-RISC/Linux Boot HOWTO would have told you about 
> them.

I read it, and the _readme_first.txt there, but they don't mention that
those lifimages are prepared for NFS Root opposite to the one I used.
And the NetInst procedure for Debian/i386 uses a RAM-Disk, too, so I
thought those were using a initrd just as the one I got from
ftp://ftp.parisc-linux.org/kernels/. And so I just put it out of my
scope when searching for non-ramdisk images.

But I see that the I have to cross-read everything twice here, my fault.

Thanks for the hint.

Markus

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Thibaut VARENE]

-------------------
> Hello,
>=20
> Thibaut VARENE <varenet@esiee.fr> schrieb:
>=20
> > >> The Net install ISOs are what you want. See
> > >> 	http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/install.html
> > > But as this are ISO files, I need to attach a CD drive, and I
don't=20
> > > have an external SCSI drive lying around. I also doubt I'll find
any
> > > IDE port inside my Apollo. That's why I looked for a net-boot
image.
> > there are lifimages as well.
> > you can also get them here:
> > http://pateam.esiee.fr/cd-images/lifimages/
> >
> > fwiw, reading the PA-RISC/Linux Boot HOWTO would have told you
about=20
> > them.
>=20
> I read it, and the _readme_first.txt there, but they don't mention
that
> those lifimages are prepared for NFS Root opposite to the one I
used.
> And the NetInst procedure for Debian/i386 uses a RAM-Disk, too, so I
> thought those were using a initrd just as the one I got from
> ftp://ftp.parisc-linux.org/kernels/. And so I just put it out of my
> scope when searching for non-ramdisk images.
>=20
> But I see that the I have to cross-read everything twice here, my
fault.
>=20
> Thanks for the hint.
>=20
> Markus
>=20
>=20
Thibaut VARENE
PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Thibaut VARENE]

sorry for my previous answer, doomed keyboard shortcut for "send" :P
-------------------
> Hello,
>=20
> Thibaut VARENE <varenet@esiee.fr> schrieb:
>=20
> > >> The Net install ISOs are what you want. See
> > >> 	http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/install.html
> > > But as this are ISO files, I need to attach a CD drive, and I
don't=20
> > > have an external SCSI drive lying around. I also doubt I'll find
any
> > > IDE port inside my Apollo. That's why I looked for a net-boot
image.
> > there are lifimages as well.
> > you can also get them here:
> > http://pateam.esiee.fr/cd-images/lifimages/
> >
> > fwiw, reading the PA-RISC/Linux Boot HOWTO would have told you
about=20
> > them.
>=20
> I read it, and the _readme_first.txt there, but they don't mention
that
> those lifimages are prepared for NFS Root opposite to the one I
used.
actually they aren't: they're prepared for RAMDISK :)
> And the NetInst procedure for Debian/i386 uses a RAM-Disk, too, so I
> thought those were using a initrd just as the one I got from
> ftp://ftp.parisc-linux.org/kernels/. And so I just put it out of my
> scope when searching for non-ramdisk images.
I don't think there's any: indeed, if you have read the boot howto,
you'd have noticed that nfs-root images are very specific to your
network configuration, since you have to specify the server's IP.

therefore I don't see the point of releasing NFS-root images nobody
could possibly use.

So follow the cookbook in the HOWTO and prepare your own one ;P


Thibaut VARENE
PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Markus Schaber]

Hello,

Thibaut VARENE <varenet@esiee.fr> schrieb:

> > And the NetInst procedure for Debian/i386 uses a RAM-Disk, too, so I
> > thought those were using a initrd just as the one I got from
> > ftp://ftp.parisc-linux.org/kernels/. And so I just put it out of my
> > scope when searching for non-ramdisk images.
> I don't think there's any: indeed, if you have read the boot howto,
> you'd have noticed that nfs-root images are very specific to your
> network configuration, since you have to specify the server's IP.
> therefore I don't see the point of releasing NFS-root images nobody
> could possibly use.

That's not correct this way, as I saw in 4.3.2 of the HOWTO, the nfs
root is specified via kernel boot parameters, and as I saw in 4.4.1, one
can interact with palo to provide run-time boot parameters.

> So follow the cookbook in the HOWTO and prepare your own one ;P

I'll do so, at least in case I'm unable to find cheap extension RAM, but
I just found a promising part at EBAY (32MB for 5 EUR, that's cheap
enough to take the risk).


Gru=DF,
Markus

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Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Out of memory problem

[Grant Grundler]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 06:59:58PM +0100, Markus Schaber wrote:
> > The Net install ISOs are what you want. See
> > 	http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/install.html
> 
> But as this are ISO files, I need to attach a CD drive, and I don't have
> an external SCSI drive lying around.

Read about "mount -o loop" (aka loopback).
And I forgot about the lifimages that Thibaut referenced.

...
> I have a floppy drive built in, but on the debian-pa web site I read
> that floppy boot is not supported on parisc.

right

> PS: I subscribed to the parisc-linux list, so you all don't have to Cc:
> me.

me too. But my reply is to you and I cc the list.

grant