[linux-lvm] Volume Group Size

[linux-lvm] Volume Group Size

[Stuart Fox]

Hi all,

I cant find information about the maximum volume group size in the current 2.4 
series kernel.

Id like to be able to join 2 1.75Tb raid arrays into  1 3.5Tb array.
Is this possible?

Cheers in advance

Stuart

Re: [linux-lvm] Volume Group Size

[Andreas Dilger]

On Jun 25, 2003  18:00 +0100, Stuart Fox wrote:
> I cant find information about the maximum volume group size in the current
> 2.4  series kernel.
> 
> Id like to be able to join 2 1.75Tb raid arrays into  1 3.5Tb array.
> Is this possible?

No, there is a limit of 2TB for all block devices in 2.4 kernels.  With
2.5, there is a "large block device" configure option that lets you have
larger block devices.  There is apparently also a patch to support this
on 2.4 kernels, but AFAIK it is not very widely used/tested.

Cheers, Andreas
--
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/

Re: [linux-lvm] Volume Group Size

[Ragnar Kjørstad]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:46:34AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On Jun 25, 2003  18:00 +0100, Stuart Fox wrote:
> > I cant find information about the maximum volume group size in the current
> > 2.4  series kernel.
> > 
> > Id like to be able to join 2 1.75Tb raid arrays into  1 3.5Tb array.
> > Is this possible?
> 
> No, there is a limit of 2TB for all block devices in 2.4 kernels.  With
> 2.5, there is a "large block device" configure option that lets you have
> larger block devices.  There is apparently also a patch to support this
> on 2.4 kernels, but AFAIK it is not very widely used/tested.

The question was regarding volum goups, not logical volums.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the answer is yes, you will be 
able to join 2 1.75 Tb volume groups into a single 3.5 Tb volum group, 
if only an apropriate extent-size was set on VG-creation.

However, each Logical Volum in the Volum-Group need to be smaller than 2
TB.

AFAIK the "large block device" feature in 2.5 does not enable > 2TB
logical volumes - it only fixes the general block-device layer, md and
the scsi-subsystem. At least that used to be the case - maybe someone
knows if it has changed?


-- 
Ragnar Kjørstad
Zet.no

Re: [linux-lvm] Volume Group Size

[Stuart Fox]

> On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:46:34AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>> On Jun 25, 2003  18:00 +0100, Stuart Fox wrote:
>> > I cant find information about the maximum volume group size in the
>> current
>> > 2.4  series kernel.
>> >
>> > Id like to be able to join 2 1.75Tb raid arrays into  1 3.5Tb array.
>> > Is this possible?
>>
>> No, there is a limit of 2TB for all block devices in 2.4 kernels.  With
>> 2.5, there is a "large block device" configure option that lets you have
>> larger block devices.  There is apparently also a patch to support this
>> on 2.4 kernels, but AFAIK it is not very widely used/tested.
>
> The question was regarding volum goups, not logical volums.
>
> So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the answer is yes, you will be
> able to join 2 1.75 Tb volume groups into a single 3.5 Tb volum group,
> if only an apropriate extent-size was set on VG-creation.
>
> However, each Logical Volum in the Volum-Group need to be smaller than 2
> TB.
>
> AFAIK the "large block device" feature in 2.5 does not enable > 2TB
> logical volumes - it only fixes the general block-device layer, md and
> the scsi-subsystem. At least that used to be the case - maybe someone
> knows if it has changed?
>
>
> --
> Ragnar Kj�rstad
> Zet.no
>

Thanks for the quick replies.
It actually applied to both one vg with one lv of 3.5Tb.
Guess I'll have to find another way.

Cheers

Stuart

Re: [linux-lvm] Volume Group Size

[Kevin Corry]

On Wednesday 25 June 2003 13:11, Ragnar Kjørstad wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:46:34AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 2003  18:00 +0100, Stuart Fox wrote:
> > > I cant find information about the maximum volume group size in the
> > > current 2.4  series kernel.
> > >
> > > Id like to be able to join 2 1.75Tb raid arrays into  1 3.5Tb array.
> > > Is this possible?
> >
> > No, there is a limit of 2TB for all block devices in 2.4 kernels.  With
> > 2.5, there is a "large block device" configure option that lets you have
> > larger block devices.  There is apparently also a patch to support this
> > on 2.4 kernels, but AFAIK it is not very widely used/tested.
>
> The question was regarding volum goups, not logical volums.
>
> So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the answer is yes, you will be
> able to join 2 1.75 Tb volume groups into a single 3.5 Tb volum group,
> if only an apropriate extent-size was set on VG-creation.

The limitation for the size of a volume-group is a little obscure. The 
volume-group metadata (for LVM1 volume-groups - LVM2 format is probably 
different) stores the total number of PEs in the group as a 32-bit number. 
Thus, you are limited to 2^32 total extents. With a PE size of 4 MB, this is 
2^54 bytes, or 16 exabytes (adjust accordingly for a different PE size).

> However, each Logical Volum in the Volum-Group need to be smaller than 2
> TB.
>
> AFAIK the "large block device" feature in 2.5 does not enable > 2TB
> logical volumes - it only fixes the general block-device layer, md and
> the scsi-subsystem. At least that used to be the case - maybe someone
> knows if it has changed?

Again, the LVM1 format uses a 32-bit number to record the size (in sectors) of 
each LV. So the 2 TB limitation still exists. However, the metadata also 
records the number of extents allocated to the LV, so the tools *could* be 
written to ignore the lv-size field and always calculate based on the number 
of allocated extents. This would push the limit up to pe_size * 2^32 bytes, 
but would of course break backwards-compatibility with older tools (not sure 
if that really matters).

-- 
Kevin Corry
kevcorry@us.ibm.com
http://evms.sourceforge.net/