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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: RFC on io-stalls patch
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:21:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030716132139.GC833@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030716131128.GG4978@dualathlon.random>

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:04:42PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:46:56PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > Well it's a combined problem. Threshold too high on dirty memory,
> > > > someone doing a read well get stuck flushing out as well.
> > > 
> > > a pure read not. the write throttling should be per-process, then there
> > > will be little risk.
> > 
> > A read from user space, dirtying data along the way.
> 
> it doesn't necessairly block on dirty memory. We even _free_ ram clean
> if needed, exactly because of that. You can raise the amount of _free_
> ram up to 99% of the whole ram in your box to be almost guaranteed to
> never wait on dirty memory freeing. Of course the default tries to
> optimize for writeback cache and there's a reasonable margin to avoid
> writing dirty stuff. the sysctl is there for special usages where you
> want to never block in a read from userspace regardless whatever the
> state of the system.

That may be so, but no user will ever touch that sysctl. He just
experiences what Alan outlined, system grinds to a complete halt. Only
much later does it get going again.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-16 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-08 20:06 RFC on io-stalls patch Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-10 13:57 ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-11 14:13   ` Chris Mason
2003-07-12  0:20     ` Nick Piggin
2003-07-12 18:37       ` Chris Mason
2003-07-12  7:37     ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-12  7:48       ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-12 18:32       ` Chris Mason
2003-07-13  0:33         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-13  9:01         ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-13 16:20           ` Chris Mason
2003-07-13 16:45             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-13 19:33               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-13 17:47             ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-13 19:35               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-14  0:36                 ` Chris Mason
2003-07-13 19:19           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-14  5:49             ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-14 12:23               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-14 13:12                 ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-14 19:51                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-14 20:09                     ` Chris Mason
2003-07-14 20:19                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-14 21:24                         ` Chris Mason
2003-07-15  5:46                       ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-14 20:09                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-14 20:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-14 20:34                         ` Chris Mason
2003-07-15  5:35                           ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                           ` <20030714224528.GU16313@dualathlon.random>
2003-07-15  5:40                             ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                             ` <1058229360.13317.364.camel@tiny.suse.com>
2003-07-15  5:43                               ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                               ` <20030714175238.3eaddd9a.akpm@osdl.org>
     [not found]                                 ` <20030715020706.GC16313@dualathlon.random>
2003-07-15  5:45                                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15  6:01                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-15  6:08                                       ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15  7:03                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-15  8:28                                           ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15  9:12                                             ` Chris Mason
2003-07-15  9:17                                               ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15  9:18                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15  9:30                                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-07-15 10:03                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-15 10:11                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15 14:18                                                 ` Chris Mason
2003-07-15 14:29                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-16 17:06                                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-07-15  9:22                                               ` Chris Mason
2003-07-15  9:59                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-15  9:48                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-14 20:16                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-14 20:17                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-07-14 20:27                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-15  5:26                       ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15  5:48                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-15  6:01                           ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-15  6:33                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-15 11:22                         ` Alan Cox
2003-07-15 11:27                           ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-16 12:43                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-16 12:46                               ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-16 12:59                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-16 13:04                                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-16 13:11                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-16 13:21                                       ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2003-07-16 13:44                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-16 14:00                                           ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-16 14:24                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-16 16:49                                     ` Andrew Morton
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2003-07-15 18:47 Shane Shrybman

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