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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: rob@landley.net, Ed Sweetman <ed.sweetman@wmich.edu>,
	Eugene Teo <eugene.teo@eugeneteo.net>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel@kolivas.org, Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Subject: Re: Ingo Molnar and Con Kolivas 2.6 scheduler patches
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:42:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200308071642.55517.phillips@arcor.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200308061728.04447.rob@landley.net>

On Wednesday 06 August 2003 22:28, Rob Landley wrote:
> So, how does SCHED_SOFTRR fail?  Theoretically there is a minimum timeslice
> you can hand out, yes?  And an upper bound on scheduling latency.  So
> logically, there is some maximum number "N" of SCHED_SOFTRR tasks running
> at once where you wind up round-robining with minimal timeslices and the
> system is saturated.  At N+1, you fall over.  (And in reality, there are
> interrupts and kernel threads and other things going on that get kind of
> cramped somewhere below N.)

The upper bound for softrr realtime scheduling isn't based on number of tasks, 
it's a global slice of cpu time: so long as the sum of running times of all 
softrr tasks in the system lies below limit, softrr tasks will be scheduled 
as SCHED_RR, otherwise they will be SCHED_NORMAL.

> In theory, the real benefit of SCHED_SOFTRR is that an attempt to switch to
> it can fail with -EMYBRAINISMELTING up front, so you know when it won't
> work at the start, rather than having it glitch halfway through the run. 

Not as implemented.  Anyway, from the user's point of view, that would be an 
unpleasant way for a sound player to fail.  What we want is something more 
like a little red light that comes on (in the form of error statistics, say) 
any time a softrr process gets demoted.  Granted, there may be situations 
where what you want is the right behavior, but it's (as you say) a separate 
issue of resource allocation.

Regards,

Daniel


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-08-07 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-26  9:30 Ingo Molnar and Con Kolivas 2.6 scheduler patches Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-26  9:46 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-26 10:02   ` Ismael Valladolid Torres
2003-07-26 10:10     ` Eugene Teo
2003-07-26 11:24       ` Ed Sweetman
2003-07-26 17:00         ` Rahul Karnik
2003-07-27 15:46         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-07-26 16:52           ` Diego Calleja García
2003-07-26 18:35           ` Andrew Morton
2003-07-26 23:01             ` Diego Calleja García
2003-07-28  9:38               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-28 10:37                 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-07-28 17:06                 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-07-27  2:38             ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-27  7:39               ` Willy Tarreau
2003-07-27  9:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2003-07-27 11:54                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-27 20:18             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-07-26 22:05               ` Ed Sweetman
2003-08-01 15:38                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-07-31 23:02                   ` Ed Sweetman
2003-07-27  2:39               ` Ed Sweetman
2003-07-29 13:56               ` Timothy Miller
2003-07-29 13:57                 ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-29 15:30                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-07-29 15:52                 ` Helge Hafting
2003-07-29 16:26                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-07-30 14:46                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-07-29 15:40                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-07-30 16:17                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-08-08 21:09                   ` Bill Huey
2003-08-06 21:28           ` Rob Landley
2003-08-07  9:34             ` Helge Hafting
2003-08-07 15:42             ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2003-08-07 20:45               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-07 20:51               ` Rob Landley
2003-08-07 21:40                 ` Ed Sweetman
2003-08-07 22:17                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-08  0:01                   ` Rob Landley
2003-08-09 20:52                   ` George Anzinger
2003-08-14  0:24                     ` Rob Landley
2003-08-14  8:01                       ` George Anzinger
2003-08-16  9:10                         ` Rob Landley
2003-08-16 14:29                           ` APM and 2.5.75 not resuming properly Jamie Lokier
2003-08-16 15:03                             ` Stephen Rothwell
2003-08-16 16:12                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-16 20:43                             ` Rob Landley
2003-08-13  3:38                   ` Ingo Molnar and Con Kolivas 2.6 scheduler patches George Anzinger
2003-08-08  6:08                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-07-26 12:08       ` Ismael Valladolid Torres
2003-07-26 14:54         ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-26 14:49     ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-26 14:47   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-26 16:42     ` Lou Langholtz
2003-07-26 16:40       ` Jens Axboe
2003-07-26 18:19   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-26 18:31     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-26 19:20       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-26 19:47       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-27  9:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2003-07-27  9:57   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-27 10:02     ` Ingo Molnar
2003-07-27 10:19       ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-28 22:44     ` Timothy Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-07-26 14:44 Downing, Thomas

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